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Wessel, Milton R.

Corporate Author

United States of America, Environmental Protection Age

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' n r e : 2,4,5-TrichlorophenoxyaceticAcid; I. F. &amp; R Docket
Nos. 42, 44, 45, and 48 and I. F. &amp; R. Docket No. 295; Also
included in this item are an affidavit by Milton R, Wessel, and
a certificate of service.

Friday, March 01, 2002

Page 5193 of 5263

�UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTpiefriON;,

BEFORE THE ADMINISTRATOR AND THE
CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE

In re:

2,4,5-Trichlorophenoxyacetic ) I.F. &amp; R. Docket Nos.
Acid
.
) 42, 44, 45 and 48
and
I.F.

&amp; R. Docket
No. 295

DOW MOTION FOR PREHEARING
CONFERENCE

Registrant The Dow Chemical Company ("Dow")
hereby moves the Administrator in I.F. &amp; R. Docket No. 295,
and the Chief Administrative Law Judge in I.F. &amp; R. Docket
Nos. 42, 44, 45 and 48, pursuant to the provisions of
Title 40, Code of Federal Regulations, § 164.60, for
Orders scheduling the prehearing conferences provided
for in Title 40, Code of Federal Regulations, § 164.50,
as soon as possible, to consider the following matters:
1.

Identification and alignment of parties.

2.

The disposition of the additional issues
presented in Docket No. 295 &gt; which matters
are not at issue in Docket Nos. 42, 44, 45
and 48.

3.

Consolidation.

4.

The disposition of the motions and applications served June 26, 1972.

5.

Trial dates.

6.

Preliminary consideration of prospective
witnesses, memoranda and issues.

�and for such other and further relief as the Administrator
and the Chief Administrative Law Judge may deem just and
proper.
The grounds for this motion are set forth in
Paragraphs 5 through 12 of Dow's Response to the Statement
of Issues in I.P. &amp; R. Docket No. 295, served August 21, 1973,
in all Dockets, and in the annexed affidavit of Milton R.
Wessel, sworn to September 12, 1973PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that in accordance with the provisions of Title 40, Code of Federal Regulations, § l64.6o(b)
you are required to serve and file an answer to this motion
within ten days after service thereof, or within such other
time as may be fixed by- the Administrator, his designee or
the Chief Administrative Law Judge.
Dated:

New York, New York
September 12, 1973
Yours, etc.
KAYE, SCHO.LER, PIERMAN, HAYS &amp;

HANDLER
Hearing Attorneys for The Dow
Chemical Company

Milton R. -Wessel,
A Member of the Firm
425 Park Avenue
New York, New York
To:

All parties as per attached
Certificate of Service

10022

�UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY

BEFORE THE ADMINISTRATOR AND THE
CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE

In re:

2,4,5-Trichlorophenoxyacetic ) I.P. &amp; R. Docket Nos.
Acid
) 42, 44, 45 and 48
and
I.P. &amp; R. Docket
No. 295

STATE OF NEW YORK

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:
COUNTY OF NEW YORK )

ss. :

AFFIDAVIT

MILTON R. WESSEL, being duly sworn, deposes and
says:
1.

I am a member of Kayes Scholer, Fierman, Hays &amp;

Handler, Hearing Attorneys for Registrant, The Dow Chemical
Company ("Dow"), and am fully familiar with all the facts and
prior proceedings herein.

This affidavit is submitted in

support of Dow's motion for the early convening of prehearing
conferences in the above Dockets. .
2,

Paragraph 12 of Dow's Response to the Statement

of Issues in Docket No. 295, served August 21, 1973 in all
Dockets, requests the calling of early prehearing conferences.
Dow's reasons therefor are set forth in Paragraphs 5 through 11,
Undoubtedly the press of other matters has precluded action on
this request.

Some of such other matters may indeed be more

�urgent than these cases in terms of the need for prompt
remedial action.

Nevertheless even a few hours devoted to

an early prehearing conference in these matters would be of
major importance in permitting the parties to prepare for a
Spring hearing.
3.

It may be helpful if some of the practical

problems of preparation are outlined.

The pleadings and

other documents indicate that this case involves many issues
and hundreds of potential witnesses located all over the
world.

Many of these persons are not in the employ of any

party.

Travel time and expense can be minimized if potential

witnesses in the same area are interviewed at the same time.
Yet until the nature of the issues is known, one cannot even
anticipate who all the witnesses will be.

Guidance is also

needed as to the scope and form of any preliminary written
witness statements which might be .required.
4.
are.

Indeed, we do not even know who all the parties

The Environmental Defense Fund and Harrison Welford, et

al., had been major anticipated adversaries', for example, but
to this point they have filed neither responses to the State- .
ment of Issues, nor motions to intervene in Docket No. 295Preparation and hearing will clearly be completely different if
they are'not involved, or appear only in the earlier and previously consolidated Dockets (in which a motion to Intervene
was made and denied, subject to renewal), or in all of the
Dockets.

�5.

A number of organizations have filed

responses seeking to become parties or to submit evidence.

It is desirable that there be a division of

effort among parties aligned on the same side of the
issues.

The same potential witnesses should not be

seen two, three and four times.

It would be valuable

simply to have the interests and roles of the other
parties identified at a prehearing conference.

Yet in

the absenc.e of such a conference it cannot even be
known which of these applicants will ultimately be
parties.

And although the Hearing Clerk has been most

cooperative, her facilities are not adequate to permit
her to continue the present burden of making and distributing copies of documents and answering queries, on
any long-term basis.
6.

With the limited possible exceptions nouo-u I:*

our Response to the Statement of Issues in Docket No. 295, we
believe that it is entirely possible for this case to be
ready for a fair hearing by next Spring.
of work must be done before that time.

But a great deal
Much of it cannot

really begin until the procedural outlines of the case have
been clarified.
Milton R. Wessel
Sworn to before m e - t h i s
12th/ay of Septembe/ 1973.
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�CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
I hereby certify that a copy of the attached
Motion and Supporting Affidavit of Registrant The Dow
Chemical Company was served today by postage prepaid mail,
upon the persons whose names and addresses are listed
below:
Betty J. Billings (original and two copies)
Hearing Clerk
Environmental Protection Agency
Room E-1019
East Tower, Waterside Mall
401 M Street, S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20460
Administrator,
Environmental Protection Agency
Washington, D.C. 20460
David D. Dominick.
Assistant Administrator
for Hazardous Materials
Control
Environmental Protection Agency
Washington, D.C. 20460
Anson M. Keller, Esq.
Office of the General Counsel
Environmental Protection Agency
Room 519 West Tower, Waterside Mall
4th and M Streets
Washington, D.C. 20460
Raymond W. Fullerton, Esq.
U.S. Department of Agriculture
Room 2042,. South Agriculture Bldg.
12th &amp; Independence Sts., S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20250
J. Thomas Tidd, Esq.,
General Counsel
U.S. Department of Transportation
400 7th Street, S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20590

�C. E. Lombard!, Jr., Esq.

*

Blackwell Sanders Matheny Weary
&amp; Lombardl
Five Crown Center
2^80 Pershing Road
Kansas City, Missouri 64108
Attorneys for Thompson-Hayward •
Chemical Company
•Lindley S. DeAtley
Thompson-Hayward Chemical Company
P.O. Box 2383
Kansas City, Kansas
66110
Mr. R. J. Otten, Program Coordinator
Amchem Products, Inc.
Ambler, Pennsylvania 19002
J. 'Robert Hasness,
Director of Technical Service
Transvaal, Inc.
P.O.. Box 69
Jacksonville, Arkansas 72076
Robert S. Bassman
National Forest Products
Association
1619 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, B.C.
Harry J. Breithaupt, Jr., Esq.
General Counsel
Association of American Railroads
American Railroads Building
Washington, D.C. 20036
C. W. McMillan,
Executive Vice President
American National Cattlemen's Association
1015 National Press Bldg.
Washington, D. C. 20004
John A..Matthews, Chairman

Brush Control and Range Improvement Ass'n
P.O. Box 176

Abilene, Texas

79604

Don Ahrenholtz, Mgr.
Colorado Farm Bureau
2211 West 27th Avenue
Denver, Colorado 80217

�Acord Cantwell, Director
Department of Natural Resources, Inc.
Indiana Farm Bureau, Inc.
50 East Washington Street
Indianapolis, Indiana 4620^1
J. J. Dwyer
Engineer Environmental Control
The C &amp; 0'Railway Co.
The B &amp; 0. Railway Co.
•P.O. Box 907
Huntington, West Virginia 25712
M. Chessin, Professor
Department of Botany
University of Montana
Missoula, Montana 59801
The following, c/o Hearing Clerk
Environmental Protection Agency
Washington, D.C. 20460:
Indiana Farm Bureau Cooperative
Indiana Plant Food &amp; Agricultural Chemical Association
Mountain Lake Right-of-Way Council
Ohio Farm Bureau Federation
Texas Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association

Dated:

September 12, 1973

Milton R . V/essel

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                    <text>item D Number

°5197

Author

Wessel, Milton R.

CorDOratB Author

United States of America, Environmental Protection Age

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Roport/Artlclo TitlO ^ow Modification of Requests and Response to Motion
to Consolidate

Journal/Book Title
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1973

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October 9

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DBiiCriptOll NotOS

'n re: ^ne '-)ow Chemical Company, et al., ("2,4,5-T")
Registrants; I. F. &amp; R Docket No. 295 and I. F. &amp; R. Docket
Nos. 42, 44, 45, and 48.

Friday, March 01, 2002

Page 5197 of 5263

�ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
BEFORE THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE

-x
In re

I.P. &amp; R.
Dockets No.
The Dow Chemical Company, et al.,
("2,4,5-T")
Registrants.

42, 44, 45 and 48
and
I.P. &amp; R.
Docket No. 295

DOW MODIFICATION OF REQUESTS
and
RESPONSE TO MOTION TO CONSOLIDATE

This submission is furnished by Registrant' The Dow
Chemical Company ("Dow") in response to the Chief Administrative Law Judge's Order to File dated and filed Monday, October
1» 1973, received by certified mail Friday, October 5.

It

is also submitted in response to Respondent Office of
Hazardous Materials Controls' Motion to Consolidate served by
mail October 2, 1973.
The following responses are keyed to the specific
requests set forth at pages 11 - 13 of Dow's Preliminary
hearing Memorandum dated June 26, 1972:

Pre-

�I.

A.

Withdrawn.

B.

Withdrawn.

C.

Not withdrawn.

D.

Withdrawn, subject to renewal of the application for Advisory Committee testimony in
another form if agreement is not possible.

E.
II.

A-C.

Withdrawn.
Modified (See below and Attachment 1).
Dow is hopeful that a fair and full informal
exchange of information can be agreed upon
by the parties, so that the need for formal
discovery can be avoided.

Some preliminary

such exchanges have already taken place.
Dow requests that these applications be
placed in suspense until the parties have
met on October 19 as presently contemplated
(see Attachment 1, p. 9), and a prehearing
conference is conducted before the Chief
Administrative Law Judge.
Discussion

Many developments following amendment of FIPRA, as
most recently confirmed in Respondent's Motion and Response
dated October 2, 1973 indicate that Respondent and Registrant
Dow are now in general agreement with respect to the procedures

�they consider applicable to this litigation.

The only

important procedural question remaining is with regard
to the treatment to be accorded certain new possible
scientific issues which may have been introduced in
Docket No. 295-

These relate to carclnogenicity, muta-

genicity, sub-lethal and low level effects and the like.
(Dow Motion For Prehearing Conference, Item 2,

See,

also, Dow Response to Statement of Issues, Paragraphs
8-11, Attachment 1, Item 4).

Respondent's objection to

consideration of this item is that it is considered
"unclear and ambiguous" (Response, Item 6). Respondent
has also stated (Response, Item l(a)), however, that the
issues in both Dockets "are identical in substance."
If Respondent is correct in this latter comment, even
this procedural question is absent, and the Dockets may
be consolidated and the case proceed to trial in April
without the need for further Advisory Committee consideration, further data collection and experiment or other
impediment.

However, Dow does believe it would be useful

to explore this issue at prehearing conference to be sure
there is no misunderstanding.
As indicated in Dow's Preliminary

Prehearing

Memorandum dated June 26, 1972, Dow's earlier applications
to the Administrator, the courts and the Administrative

�Law Judge, were made in order to help develop an atmosphere
in which the Administrator could decide highly charged and
emotional issues such as are involved in this case, in a
reasoned atmosphere and without becoming subjected to unbalanced pressures.

Even more important than the Eighth

Circuit's decision and the amended rules of practice in
this connection is the amended FIFRA.

The new statute for

the first time spells out the Administrator's power to
conduct a formal inquiry (§ 6(b)(2)).

The parties them-

selves have the right to litigate as adversaries if they
so choose, but the Agency is no longer required to take
an antagonistic position.

This.we beleive to be the best

way in which to make possible a full, fair and free exploration of all the issues in traditional common law
reliance upon the antagonists themselves producing the
evidence, with the Agency participating essentially as
impartial arbiter.
Technically, of course, the earlier consolidated
Docket is a cancellation proceeding under the old statute, .
with Respondent aligned against Registrants.

This is in

contrast to the new Docket No. 295, which is a § 6(b)(2)
inquiry.

However, we hope that the distinction is more

conceptual than real, and we believe that Respondent's
Motion to Consolidate reflects its agreement.

If this is

�so, it should be possible to conduct a fully consolidated
hearing without regard to such legal niceties as which
PIPRA provision applies to which step in the procedure,
what may be the effect of mid-stream changes in rules of
practice on pre-existing motions and applications, the
anomalous role of Environmental Defense Fund, Inc. ("EDF")
as a possible party in the § 6(b)(2) inquiry but without
standing in the cancellation proceeding, and the like.
In short, we believe that all those involved in
all these proceedings now share the common purpose that a
hearing on all issues ready for trial should begin in
April, with those parties opposing and those advocating
2,4,5-T aligned against each other and with Respondent
coming forward with the evidence indicating the areas of
concern which occasioned the inquiry but not taking adversary positions on the merits, nor otherwise participating except as it considers such participation necessary to a full and complete explication of the issues.
As Attachment 1* indicates, the parties have

^Attachment 1 is a revised draft of a memorandum of the
first informal meeting of the parties in preparation for
an April hearing. As indicated at page 9 of the draft,
the parties were to furnish comments with regard to the
form of the original draft. Minor revisions of the first
draft are included in Attachment 1, but some may not yet
have been received. However, the memorandum does reflect
the discussion at the meeting and is accurate for the
purpose of this submission.

�already begun informally to prepare for an April hearing
in accordance with the procedures outlined above.

Un-

fortunately, the key anticipated 2,4,5-T opponents, the
EDF* group, have not yet responded to the Statement of
Issues or moved to intervene.

However, on September 27,

1973 &gt; Dow was informed by counsel for EDP that this was
because of administrative oversight (see Attachment 2)
and that EDP will indeed seek to participate actively as
a party in the hearing.**

EDP is being invited to the

second informal prehearing conference of the parties,
now tentatively scheduled for October 3.9 in Washington,

D.C.
We are hopeful that the parties will all agree
on early exchanges of scientific data and experiment,
risk/benefit analyses, monitoring studies,*** 2,4,5-T

*

It is assumed .that Harrison Wellford, Mrs. Lorraine
Huber and others will appear jointly with EDP. That
was the case before the Court of Appeals for the
Eighth Circuit.

** Although Dow has been unable to locate a copy, it appears that substantially this same group of opponents
(including Wellford and Huber but not EDF), has "previously requested that they be made parties to any
hearings conducted in regard to 2,4,5-T" (see Order of
Chief Hearing Examiner Denying Leave to Intervene in
Dockets No. 42, 44, 45 and 48, filed June 9, 1972).
***E.G., the current "environmental and human monitoring
project" which led the Assistant Administrator to request delay of hearing until April (See Notice of Intent, July 19, 1973).

�evaluations and the like, to be followed by witness lists
and testimony summaries.

Formal requests to admit and

related interrogatories should then be unnecessary and
will be withdrawn, because EDP's position has already
been well stated and Respondent will not be taking a
position.

All that would be required by way of formal

prehearing procedures before the Chief Administrative
Law Judge would be consideration of the joint recommendations of the parties and, possibly, resolution of the
questions referred to above relating to any new and
additional issues in Docket No. 295 which might require
additional data collection and experiment and/or Advisory
Committee evaluation.

Even the interests of third par-

ties who have filed responses in inadequate form or untimely can be safeguarded in fashion which should be
satisfactory to them, because surely one of the primary
parties will be agreeable and even anxious to offer the
testimony and evidence of any responsible person,
Conclusion
Dow respectfully asks that its June 26, 1972
requests be modified as indicated herein, that a Prehearing Conference be convened by the Chief Administrative
Law Judge in Docket No. 295 as well as in the earlier
consolidated Dockets and that the two conferences be held

�jointly on or before November 16, 1973Dow also requests that this submission and
Paragraphs 5-12 of its Response to the Statement of
Issues dated August 21, 1973, be considered its response
•fto
Motion to Consolidate.
Dated:

New York, New York,
October 9, 1973Respectfully submitted,
KAYE, SCHOLER, FIERMAN, HAYS &amp; HANDLER,

Milton R. Wessel and
Miriam C. Peigelson,

Milton R. Wessel, •
A Member of the Firm.
Hearing Attorneys for The Dow
Chemical Company, Registrant.

and

James N. O'Connor and
Michael J. Traynor,
Of Counsel.

425 Park Avenue,
New York, New York 10022

8

�In re:

2.4,5-T

The following organizations (or members or
divisions thereof)which had filed formal Responses to
the Environmental Protection Agency's Statement of
Intent} conferred in Room 3056-S, United States Department
of Agriculture on Tuesday, September 25, 1973, from
a.m. until 1:00

9:00

p.m.:

United States Department of Agriculture
United States Department of Transportation
Federal Railroad Administration
Association of American Railroads
Chessie System (Chesepeake &amp; Ohio Railway and
Baltimore &amp; Ohio Railroad)
Southern Railroad
National Forestry Products Association
Weyerhaeuser Company
The Dow Chemical Company
.The parties reviewed

the background of the present

inquiry, and agreed that it was of major importance to
resolve the long pending issues promptly, and that everything
should be done to meet the proposed April, 1974 date for
hearing.
The matter of preparing the issues for hearing
was reviewed in some depth.

It was agreed that overall
.*

there would undoubtedly be well in excess of one hundred
witnesses, and that the Hearing might last a substantial
period of time.

Preparation by way of interviewing

Attachment 1

potential

�witnesses , conducting surveys and completing factual
•analysis must begin p r o m p t l y .
There was discussion of the difficult administrative problems being faced by the Environmental Protection
Agency, and a conclusion reached that it was unlikely

that a

formal ore-hearing conference would be called by an Administrative
Lav; Judge for some period of time.

The parties agreed that if

everyone proceeded in good faith, there was no reason why the
failure to hold a formal pre-hearing conference need stand in the
way of moving forward with preparation.

None of the parties con-

sidered itself either an advocate or an opponent of 2,4,5-T as
such; .Dow itself as Registrant stated that it would be a 2,4,5-T
proponent in the hearing only because all of its investigations
confirmed that the benefits of 2,4,5-T. use far outweighed the
risks and that were any adverse evidence adduced it would be the
first to withdraw the product from the market.

Rather it

was both the view of each individual party and the consensus
of all that the purpose of their participation was to insure
that a complete record be developed and all relevant facts and
considerations explored in sufficient depth to permit a
reasoned and proper judgment.

For this reason, it was desirable

that all other anticipated parties be invited to a further
meeting, to which hopefully a representative of the Environmental
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Protection Agency's Office of General Counsel wo.uld also
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come, at which further procedural steps might be taken.
The parties present agreed upon the following
course o£ preparation and action, until a formal pre-hcaring

�conference was held and pre-hearing order entered:
1.

Parties.
For the purposes of preparation, it would be

assumed that each of the parties furnishing Mr. Fullerton
a statement of its intention to be a party (rather than
just a witness) in the Hearing,- would be a party for
purposes of preparation.

Accordingly, notices of all

formal motions, applications and the like would be served
on all such parties.
2.

Consolidation.
It would be assumed that the rice and other use

proceedings would be joined for purposes of a single
hearing.
3.

Hearing Date,
It would be assumed that the Hearing would commence

April 1, 1974, and that each party would prepare with that
date in mind,
A. jssues.
It would be assumed that the issues in the
consolidated Hearing would include all of the issues in
the rice proceeding, as more specifically set forth in
the Administrator's Orders of August 6 and November 4, 1971,
and April 13, 1972, and all other uses of 2,4,5-T, such as

�forestry, rights of way and rangelancl.

However, as to

scientific issues, only Items VA-1 and 2 (tcratogenicity
and other adverse reproductive effects) would be assumed
to be issues; Items VA-3-6 (mutagenicity, carcinogenicity,
sub-lethal effects and delayed lethality) would not be
assumed to be issues in the absence of some further indication of the evidentiary basis upon which these additional matters were based.

It was pointed out that if

there were any evidence in support of these latter new
issues posed in Docket No. 295, it might involve a very
different type of preparation, perhaps including quite
long-term

scientific studies, additional Advisory Committee

consideration and the like, all of which might prejudice
the desired April Hearing date.
5.

Witness

Statements.

It would be assumed that summaries of the
testimony

of each witness would be submitted to an Adminis-

trative Law Judge at some time in advance of the witness'
actual testimony.

It was assumed that the form of each

such statement, preparation of which would begin promptly
as witnesses are interviewed, would consist of a brief
summary, of the witness' background, qualifications and
*»

conclusions, in sufficient detail to avoid surprise and
permit preparation of cross-examination, but not at

�such length or detail as to duplicate the witness'
subsequent oral direct testimony.
6•

Witness Testimony.
Because witnesses have already begun to inquire

with respect to date, place and other circumstances, it
was assumed that in general the following procedure would
apply:
a.

The Agency would proceed first with any
evidence it desires to adduce, to be
followed by any parties offering evidence
to sustain respondent's burden of coming
forward with evidence in opposition to
continued use of 2,4,'5-T. They would be
followed by Registrants, U.S. Department
of Agriculture, U.S. Department of
Transportation and. other federal agencies
and other parties offering evidence in
connection with specific uses and benefits.

b.

The Administrative Law Judge might be
requested to permit limited exceptions to the
above progress by order of parties, where a
specific subject matter was being considered which cut across party lines
(e.g., toxicology), or where hearings
were being held in the field and it
would convenience the Administrative Law
Judge, the parties and the witnesses to
take a number of witnesses at the same
time, even though being advanced by
different parties.

c.

It was also assumed that witness testimony
would in general be taken in Washington,
B.C. where the witness lived within a
reasonable distance, and elsewhere in the
United States where a number of witnesses
might be brought together for convenience
of all concerned.

�7.

Pa r t y Pa r t i c1pat ion.
It was assumed that there would be several

levels of participation.

Some parties, such as USDA

and Dow would undoubtedly participate fully, with hearing
counsel present throughout the Hearing, examination and
cross-examination on all issues except where redundant,
submission of memoranda, motions, proposed findings of
fact and the like.

Other parties might participate only

with respect to specific subject matters if they so chose,
such as forestry or railroad uses, and would probably
be permitted to participate if 'they wished without the
need to retain outside hearing counsel.
8.

Administrative Supervision.
It appeared that there would be a substantial

number of problems and administrative areas of concern.
For the convenience of everyone, it was agreed that
Raymond W. Fullerton, U.S. Department of Agriculture,
Office of General Counsel, Room 2042, South Agriculture
Building, 12th and Independence Streets, S.W. Washington,
D.C. 20250 (tel. 202-447-6324) would be coordinating
attorney.

Without giving up any of its own individual

rights and interests, each party would make an effort to
coordinate matters through Mr. Fullerton's office.

For

example, experience teaches that in major litigations of

�this kind, initially an effort is made to meet the
convenience of all attorneys and parties in terms of calendar
appointments and the like, following which it is quickly
discovered that this is impossible,from which point forward no one's individual convenience can be served.
Accordingly, each participant is requested to furnish Mr.
Fullerton a calendar of important other commitments from
October 1, 1973 to March 31, 1974, with Mr. Fullerton being
authorized to communicate significant calendar problems
to the Hearing Clerk or the Agency _as appropriate when
new schedules are to be fixed.
9.

Other Parties.
It was noted that the only party which had sub-

mitted a timely response opposing further use of 2,4,5-T
was Professor Chessin of the Department of Botany, University
of Montana.

In the past, Harrison Welford, et al., Dr.

Samuel Epstein and Environmental Defense Fund have indicated
opposition to continued use of 2,4,5-T.

An inquiry

directed to Professor Chessin with regard to his participation
had not yet been answered, and no one was in a position
to be certain that the other previous opponents would not
make a motion to intervene at some later point.

It was

concluded that the nature of the Hearing would be quite
different if there were no substantial opponents to 2,4,5-T

�In uses other than rice, and that if there were such
opponents, they should be invited and encouraged to
participate in these informal pre-hearing proceedings.
Accordingly, it was agreed that a copy of this memorandum
should be furnished to Harrison Welford, Dr. Epstein and
Environmental Defense Fund (in addition to the Agency's
Office of General Counsel ),with a request for advice as
to whether or not such organizations or individuals
wished to participate, and with an invitation to attend
the next meeting of all parties.
10.

Subject Matter Allocation.
The matter of allocating subject matters for

preparation was considered only briefly, with the following
tentative outline appearing:
Dow Manufacturing
Toxicology and Teratology
Use on rice
Electric and gas pipeline utilities
All other issues not specifically undertaken
by another party
USDA
Toxicology and Teratology (USDA/Dow
presentations will not be duplicative
of each other)
Rangeland uses, to extent not taken by
other parties
The need for a Rule of Reason

DOT
Highway and other road,canal and similar
rights of way
National Forestry Products Association
(Weyerhaeuser)
Forestry uses

8

�American Association of Railroads (Federal
Railway A d m i n i s t r a t i o n , C&amp;O, B&amp;O and
Southern Railroad)
Railroad rights of way
11.

Timetable:
The following preparation timetable was adopted

October 8, 1973

Each party to advise Mr. Fullerton
whether or not he intends to
participate as a party.
Participating parties to furnish
comments with regard to form of
this memorandum before circulating
to those not present.

October 17, 1973

Each participating party to furnish
tentative list of all witnesses it
proposes to adduce,' and witnesses
it anticipates will oppose such
testimony.

October 19, 1973

Second informal pre-hearing conference
among all those who have indicated
an interest in participating as
parties, including Environmental
Protection Agency, Office of General
Counsel.

December 31, 1973

All affirmative witnesses should
have been interviewed by this time.

February 6, 1974

Written statements in the summary
form described above should be completed by this time.

Wessel
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�KAYE, SCHOLER, FIERMAN, HAYS &amp; HANDLER
-425 PARK AVENUE

NEW Y O R K , N.Y. 1OO22

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John Dienelt, Esq.
Environmental Defense Fund
1525 - 18th Street,.N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036

In Re:

2,4,5-T
Docket No.' 295

Dear Mr. Dienelt:
This will confirm ray telephone advice to you
this morning that Dow will not object to EDF's petition
'
to intervene as untimely, in light of the mason
stated. If we do object to EDF's motion to intervene
in Docket 295, it will be on substantive grounds such
as were the subject of the Chief Administrative Law
Judge's denial of leave to intervene in the earlier
Consolidated Dockets Nos. 42, 44, 45 and 48.
Enclosed is a copy of the memorandum of the
meeting of certain parties which had filed timely formal
responses as discussed.
I look forward to working with you.
Sincerely,

Milton R. Wessel
MRW:skl
Enclosure

Attachment 2

�CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

I hereby certify that a copy of the attached
Modification and Response dated October 9, 1973, of
Registrant The Dow Chemical Company was served today
by postage prepaid mail, upon the persons whose names
and addresses are listed below:
Betty J. Billings (original and two copies)
Hearing Clerk
Environmental Protection Agency
Room E-1019
East Tower, Waterside Mall
401 M Street, S.W.
Washington, B.C. 20460
Timothy L. Marker, Esq.
Office of General Counsel
Environmental Protection Agency
401 M Street, S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20460
Raymond W. Fullerton, Esq.
Office of General Counsel
U.S. Department of Agriculture
Room 2042, South Agriculture Bldg.
12th &amp; Independence Sts., S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20250
Gregory Wolfe, Esq.
Office of General Counsel
U.S. Department of Transportation
400 7th Street, S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20590
Robert S. Bassman
National Forest Products
Association
1619 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C.
Philip F. Welsh, Esq.
Office of General Counsel
Association of American Railroads
American Railroads Building
Washington, D.C. 20036

�C. E. Lombard!, Jr., Esq.
Blackwell Sanders Matheny Weary
&amp; Lombard!
Five Crown Center
2480 Pershlng Road
Kansas City, Missouri 64108
Attorneys for Thompson-Hayward
Chemical Company
Lindley S. DeAtley
Thompson-Hayward Chemical Company
P.O. Box 2383
Kansas City, Kansas
66110
R.J. Otten, Program Coordinator
Amchem Products, Inc.
Ambler, Pennsylvania 19002
J. Robert Hasness,
Director of Technical Service
Transvaal, Inc.
P.O. Box 69
Jacksonville, Arkansas 72076
C. W. McMillan,
Executive Vice President
American National Cattlemen's Association
1015 National Press Bldg.
Washington, D. C. 2000?

John A. Matthews, Chairman
Brush Control and Range Improvement Ass'n
P.O. Box 176
Abilene, Texas

79604

Don Ahrenholtz, Mgr.
Colorado Farm Bureau
2211 West 27th Avenue
Denver, Colorado 80217
Acord Cantwell, Director
Department of Natural Resources, Inc.
Indiana Farm Bureau, Inc.
50 East Washington Street
Indianapolis, Indiana 46204

�J. J. Dwyer
Engineer Evlronmental Control
The C &amp; 0 Railway Co.
The B &amp; 0 Railway Co.
P.O. Box 90?
Huntington, West Virginia
25712
M. Chessin, Professor
Department of Botany
University of Montana
Missoula, Montana 59801
L. M. Leach, Manager
Plant Pood Department
Indiana Farm Bureau Cooperative Ass'n Inc.
47 South Pennsylvania Street
Indianapolis, Indiana 46204
H. R. Glascock, Jr., Executive Vice President
Society of American Foresters
1010 Sixteenth Street, N.W.
Washington, D. C. 20036
W. E. Chappell, Technical Adviser
Mountain Lake Right-of-Way Management
Council, Inc.
P.O. Box 32
Blacksburg, Virginia 24060
Curt Dunham, Director Local Activities
Ohio Farm Bureau Federation, Inc.
245 North High Street
Columbus, Ohio 43216
Walter J. Weber, Chairman
Legislative Committee
The Indiana Plant, Food and Agricultural
Chemicals Association, Inc.
535 Board of Trade Building
Indianapolis, Indiana 46204
E. P. Sylwester, Extension
Botanist and Plant Pathologist
Weed Control Specialist
Professor of Botany, Iowa State University
Ames, Iowa 50010

�D. W. Staniforth
Weed Control Research
Professor of Botany and Plant
Pathology and Agronomy
Iowa State University
Ames, Iowa 50010

John Dienelt, Esq.
Environmental Defense Fund, Inc
1525 - 18th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036

Charles A. Black, President
Council for Agricultural Science
and Technology
Agronomy Department
Iowa State University
Ames, Iowa 50010
Jack Justus, Director
Legislative Affairs
Arkansas Farm Bureau Federation
Farm Bureau Building
Seventh at High Street
Little Rock, Arkansas. 72203
Donald M. Millar
Millar's Beauty Spray
6^1 Thompson Avenue, N.E.
Salem, Oregon 97301
Billee Shoecraft
KIKO Radio
P.O. Box 15^3
Globe, Arizona 85501

Ida Honorof
P.O. Box

Sherman Oaks, California

91^03

Carl H. Stoltenberg, Dean
Oregon State University School of
Forestry
Corvallis, Oregon 97331
Lee 0. Hunt
Star Route, Box 216-C
Winston, Oregon 97^96
Dated:

October 9, 1973

Milton R. Wessel

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'n re: 2,4,5-Trichlorophenoxyacetic Acid; I. F. &amp; R Docket No.

Friday, March 01, 2002

Page 5198 of 5263

�ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIjDN AGENCY
BEFORE THE ADMINISTRATOR

In re. :
2,4,5-Trichlorophenoxyacetic Acid .
(2,4,5-T)

I.F
Docket No. 295

DOW RESPONSE TO EDF MOTION TO
INTERVENE
This submission is furnished by Registrant The
Dow Chemical Company ("Dow") in response to the Motion
to Intervene of Environmental Defense Fund, Inc.,
Consumers Union of United States, Inc., and Harrison Wellford (collectively hereinafter referred to as "EDF"),
served by mail on October 9, 1973.
As previously stated in Dow's Modification of
Requests, also served by mail on October 9, 1973, EDF
has for some time been the principal opponent of continued
V

registration and use of 2,4,5-T.w

Accordingly, and without

admitting any of the allegations of the Motion to Intervene,
Dow has no objection to the granting of EDF's Motion to
Intervene.

�Dated:

New York, New York
O c t o b e r 15, 1973
Respectfully submitted,
KAYE, SCHOLER, FIERMAN, HAYS
&amp; HANDLER

Milton R. Wessel,
A Member of the Firm.
Hearing Attorneys for The Dow
Chemical Company, Registrant.
425 Park Avenue
New York, New York 10022

Milton R. Wessel and
Miriam C. Feigelson,and

James N. O'Connor and
Michael J. Traynor,
Of Counsel

�CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
I hereby certify that a copy of the attached
Dow Response to EDF Motion To Intervene dated October 15,
.1973, of Registrant The Dow Chemical Company was served
today by postage prepaid mail, upon the persons whose
names and addresses are listed below:
Mr. R.J Otten
Manager, Regulatory Affairs
Amchem Products, Inc.
Ambler, Pennsylvania 19002

Harry J. Breithaupt, Jr., Esq.
General Counsel, Law Department
Association of American Railroads
American Railroads Building
Washington, D.C. 20036

J.Thomas Tidd, Esq.
General Counsel
U.S. Department of Transportation
Washington, D.C. 20590
Timothy L. Harker, Esq.
Office of the General Counsel
U.S. Environmental Protection
Agency
Washington, D.C.
20460

John F. Dienelt, Esq.
Environmental Defense Fund
1525 - 18th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C.
20"036
Robert S. Bassman, Esq.
Environmental Counsel
National Forest Products
Association
1619 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
Lindley S. DeAtley
Senior Vice President
Thompson Hayward Chemical Co
P.O. Box 2383
Kansas City, Kansas 66110
J. Robert Hasness
Director of Technical Services
Transvaal, Inc.
P.O. Box 69
Jacksonville, Arkansas 72076
Alfred R. Nolting, Esq.
Office of the General Counsel
U.S. Department of Agriculture
Washington, D.C.
. ^ - ^ ^ ^
/ V v ' /

Dated:

October 15, 1973

Milton R. Wessel

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Wessel, Milton R.

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The Dow Cnemic

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Report/Article TitlB Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Before the
Administrator, In re: 2,4,5 -Trichlorophenoxyacetic Acid
(2,4,5 -T), F.I.F.R.A. Docket Number 295, et al., Dow
Prenearing Memorandum (No. 4)

Journal/Book Title
Year

1974

Month/Day

March 21

Color
Number of Images

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Desoripton Notes

Friday, March 01, 2002

Page 5214 of 5263

�ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AG
BEFORE THE ADMINISTRATO

In re

2,4,5-Trichlorophenoxyacetic
Acid (2,4,5-T)

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FIFRA DodSS3yEJai!J&amp;5l5, et al.

DOW PREHEARING MEMORANDUM (NO. 4)

This memorandum is submitted in compliance with the
direction of the Chief Administrative Law Judge at the first
Prehearing Conference, as modified by the Order dated
February 20, 1974. It will be organized as follows:
A.

Witnesses Dow anticipates calling to
testify at the Hearing during its
affirmative case.

B.

Dow responses to March 11, 1974 submissions of other parties.

C.

Dow Proposed Agenda for March 26, 1974,
Prehearing Conference.

A. Dow Witnesses. The following identifies the witnesses
whom Dow presently anticipates calling to testify at the
Hearing during Dow's affirmative case.

It includes a sum-

mary of anticipated testimony in the form requested by the
Chief Administrative Law Judge.

�Most of the listed witnesses are toxicologists,
analytical chemists or other scientists in Dow's employment.
Ordinarily only one witness has been named in each area, in
order to avoid cumulative testimony.

However it may be

necessary at some later time to request permission to add or
substitute one or more other scientists in the same specialty to testify with regard to the same subject matter,
for corroboration or because of the unavailability of a
witness on account of illness or other special circumstance.
The primary difference between the new witness or witnesses
and the person listed will be in background and qualifications.

Any such request will be made as promptly as

possible.
In addition to the specific area of testimony identified in connection with each witness, as supplemented by
the bibliography,* each witness will testify with regard to
the fundamentals of his own specialty.

Thus, for example,

witnesses in the teratology area will testify regarding
research methodology and witnesses testifying with respect
to analytical chemistry will describe the problems incident
to distinguishing true findings from background interference
or "noise".

Documents listed in the bibliographies which Dow intends
to offer into evidence during its affirmative case will
be included in Dow's third Document Repository submission, to be made shortly. However, copies of any
bibliography references will be furnished to any party
now on request, including those which will probably be
used by the witness only for purposes of illustration
(such as sample forms).

�Dow's identification of anticipated witnesses is
based in part upon the January 18 and March 11 submissions
of Respondent and EDF.

Those submissions set forth posi-

tions and identify issues.

To the extent that Respondent's

and EDF's evidence at the Hearing materially extends beyond
these earlier submissions, it may of course be necessary for
Dow to request permission to call additional witnesses.
Dow's witness list is also based in part upon the
January 18 and March 11 submissions of parties aligned with
registrants. Those parties have identified the areas for
which they are assuming primary responsibility and in which
they expect to adduce evidence.

The March 21 submissions of

such parties will identify the witnesses they intend to
call.

To the extent that Dow considers that the lists of

witnesses to be called by such parties may not entirely
cover the evidentiary areas concerned, it may wish to call
additional witnesses. For example, in its January 18 submission AFBF indicated that it intended to assume responsibility for the introduction of evidence bearing on the
rice use/benefit area and that it expected to call 3-5
farmer witnesses in this connection.

Dow in its January 18

submission stated that it had been preparing this area and
expected to call 20 to 30 witnesses, but that it would defer
to AFBF.

The disparity between the anticipated numbers of

Dow and AFBF witnesses may have been because Dow's estimate

�included many others besides farmers, such as aerial applicators, distributors and university extension personnel.
Dow has not identified any rice use/benefit witnesses below,
but may wish to supplement this list after it reviews the
AFBP March 21 submissions to the extent such other categories of witnesses are not included.

It will do so in its

April 5, 1974 submission.

Name:

E. L. Bjerke

Address:

Senior Research Chemist
Residue Research
Ag-Organics Department
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
P. 0. Box 1706
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

MS - Organic Chemistry

Area of Testimony;

Mr. Bjerke will testify regarding 2,4,5-T, TCDD and
2,4,5-Trichlorophenol residues
in milk.

Bibliography:

DD160, DD164

Name:

E. H. Blair

Address:

Director, Health and Environmental Research
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
2020 Dow Center
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

Ph.D. - Organic Chemistry

Area of Testimony;

Dr. Blair will testify regarding the history and organization of the Dow 2,4,5-T

�effort. He will introduce each
of the scientific and other
areas involved and identify its
relationship to the whole.
Bibliography:

1973. Modern Methods of Research and Analysis (Dow, Rev.
Ed. 1973).
Other samples of Dow internal
environmental and informational materials, including the
weekly "Reports Received Bulletin" and monthly "R&amp;D Document Summaries".
Blair, E. H. 1971. Editor,
Chlorodioxins — Origin and
Fate. A Symposium sponsored
by Div. of Pesticide Chemistry ACS. Advances in Chemistry Series 120.
1973. American Chemical Society. Chemistry in the Economy — Pesticides. Social and
Economic Impacts. Chapter 11,
p. 226-43.

Name:

Warren B. Crummett

Address:

Research Scientist
Technical Manager Analyses
Laboratory
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
574 Building
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

Ph.D. - Chemistry

Area of Testimony:

Dr. Crummett will testify regarding the interpretation of
data suggesting the presence of
chemical compounds at extremely
low levels (parts per trillion)

�and findings with respect to
TCDD levels in current manufacture and in residue research,
Bibliography:

DD112 (also EPA1).
Exchange of correspondence between C.W. Collier and others
regarding Dec. 13, 1973 EPA
conference considering low
level (ppt) analyses.

Name:

James L. Emerson

Address:

Pathologist, Dept. of Pathology
and Toxicology
Indianapolis Division Life Science Dept.
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
P. 0. Box 68511
Indianapolis, Indiana 46268

Background:

D.V.M., M.S., Ph.D. Pathology

Area of Testimony:

Dr. Emerson will testify regarding 2,4,5-T teratology
studies in rats and rabbits.

Bibliography:

DD13 (also EPA1 and USDAl-6),
DD180 (also EPAl and EDF15).

Name:

Perry J. Gehring

Address:

Director, Toxicology Laboratory
Health and Environmental Research
Dow Chemical, U.S.A.
1803 Building
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

D.V.M., Ph.D. Pharmacology

Area of Testimony:

Dr. Gehring will testify regarding the toxicology of
2,4,5-T and TCDD, including
specifically accumulation and the
differences between the effects

�of large and normal doses.
Bibliography:

DD27, DD31, DD34, DD36, DD41,
DD42, DD43, DD44, DD52, DD123
(also EPA1, EDF35, USDA1-27),
DD155, DD156, DD157, DD159,
DD176 (same as DD123), DD178,
DD180 (also EPA1 and EDF15),
DD181.

Albert, A. (1968) Selective Toxicity, Methuen &amp; Co.,
LTD, London, 4th Ed.
Gessner, P.K., Parke P.V. and Williams, R.T. (1961)
Studies in detoxication. 86. The metabolism of
'''C-labeled ethylene glycol. Biochem. J. 79:482-489
Goldenthal, E.I. "Goldenthal Letter" Acting Deputy
Director, Office of New Drugs, Bureau of Medicine,
Food and Drug Administration, Washington, D.C. 26204.
Dated July 15, 1968, sent to every pharmaceutical
and industrial Company in the United States.
Greig, John.
1973.

Personal communication dated 9th April,

Kanna, S. and Fang, S.C. Metabolism of !*C-labeled
2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid in rats. J. Agr.
Food Chem. 14:500-503, 1966.
Matsumura, A. The fate of 2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid in man. Jap. J. Ind. Hit. 12:20-25,
1970.
McChesney, E.W., Golberg, L., Parekh, Russell, J.C.
and Min, B.E. Reappraisal of the toxicology of
ethylene glycol. II. Metabolism studies in laboratory animals. Fd. Cosmet. Toxicol. 9:21-28.
Quinn, G.P., Axelrod, J. and Brodie, B.B. (1958)
Species, strain and sex differences in the metabolism of hexobaritone, amidopyrine, antipyrine
and aniline. Biochemical Pharmacol. 1:152.
Vos, J.G., Moore, J.A., and Zinkl, J.G. Toxicology
of 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin(TCDD) in
C-57B1/6 mice. Tox. Appl. Pharmacol. (In Press).
Weil, C.S., Carpenter, C.P. and Smyth, H.F. Urinary
bladder calculus and tumor response following either
repeated feeding or diethylene glycol or calcium
oxalate stone implantation. Med. Sur. 36:66-67, 1967,

�Name:

Milton E. Getzendaner

Address:

Research Manager
Residue - Environmental -

Metabolism
Ag-Organics Department
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
P. O. 1706
Midland, Michigan 48640
Background:

Ph.D. - Organic Biochemistry

Area of Testimony;

Dr. Getzendaner will testify regarding 2,4,5-T and TCDD residue
levels in grass and certain
other food crops.

Bibliography:

DD48, DD49, DD51, DD108, DD120,
DD127, DD148-151, DD153, DD157,
DD160, DD161, DD164-173 (DD173 also
EPA5), DD174, DD175, DD188.

Anonymous, Agr. Res. 21, No. 4, p. 6 (1972).
Getzendaner, M.E., Down To Earth 28, No. 1 pp. 24-29
(1972).
Miller, P.W. Report of The Dow Chemical Company,
GH-C 650 (April 26, 1973).
Statistical abstracts of the U.S. 1972, 3rd Annual
Edition, U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Bureau of Census
(1972). New York 7-9 million, Queens Borough 2.0
million =9.9 million people.

Name:

Harold Gordon

Address:

Director, Corporate Medical
Department
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
2030 Dow Center
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

M.D.

Area of Testimony;

Dr. Gordon will testify regard-

�ing studies of employees exposed to 2,4,5-T during production operations.
Bibliography:

DD50

Name:

James Robert Grumbles

Address:

Field Specialist - Herbicides
Ag-Organics Department
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
Lubbock, Texas 79408

Background:

Ph.D., Range Management

Area of Testimony: Dr. Grumbles will testify regarding the rangeland use of
2,4,5-T.

Name:

David J. Jensen

Address:

Research Scientist
Residue Research
Ag-Organics Department
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
P. 0. Box 1706
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

Ph.D. - Biochemistry

Area of Testimony:

Dr. Jensen will testify regarding
residues of 2,4,5-T and TCDD in
meat.

Bibliography:

DD36, DD48, DD49, DD108, DD121,
DD164, DD165, DD167, DD169, DD173
(also EPA5), USDA-2-3.

Bache, C.A., D.J. Lisk, D.G. Wagner, and R.G. Warner.
J. Dairy Sci. £7, 93 (1964),
Clark, D.E., J.E. Young, R.L. Younger, L.M. Hunt,
and J.K. McLaran. J. Agr. Food Chem. 12, 43
(1964).

�Clark, D.E.

Private Communication (1973).

Khanna, S. and S.C. Fang.
500 (1966).

J. Agr. Food Chem. 14,

Khanna, S., V. Rao, and S.C. Fang. "Metabolism of
C11*-Labeled 2,4-D and Plant transformation Products
of 2,4-D in Rats." Presented at the 20th Northwest
Regional Meeting of the American Chemical Society in
Corvallis, Oregon (June, 1965).
Klingman, D.L., C.H. Gordon, G. Yip, and H.P. Burchfield. Weeds 14^, 164-167 (1966).
Lisk, D.J., W.H. Gutenmann, C.A. Bache, R.G. Warner,
and D.G. Wagner. J. Dairy Sci. 46, 1435 (1963).
Maxie, E.G., M.V. Bradley, and B.J. Robinson.
Amer. Soc. Hort. Sci. 81_, 137 (1962).
Morton, H.L., F.S. Davis, and M.G. Merkle.
Science 16, 88 (1968).

Proc.

Weed

Slife, K.W., J.L. Key, S. Yamaguchi, and A.J. Crafts.
Weeds 1 . 29 (1962).
0,
Yip, G. and R. Ney.

Weeds 14, 167 (1966).

Name:

Julius E. Johnson

Address:

Vice-President, The Dow Chemical
Company
Manager, Life Sciences Department
2030 Dow Center
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

Ph.D. - Biochemistry

Area of Testimony:

Dr. Johnson will testify regarding the overall Dow effort
in the environmental area, including its Ecology Council, its
Product Stewardship policy and
the need for application of the
rule of reason in all aspects of
corporate management and operations.

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�Bibliography:

Dow organization chart.
1973 Annual Report.

Name:

Eugene E. Kenaga

Address:

Associate Scientist
Health and Environmental Health
Research Dept.
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
P. 0. Box 1706
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

M.A. - Entomology

Area of Testimony;

Mr. Kenaga will testify regarding evaluation of the impact of
2,4,5-T and TCDD on the environment, particularly fish and wildlife.

Bibliography:

DD103, DD105, DD106, DD107, DD109
DD110.
Young, A.L., C.E. Thalken, W. E.
Ward and W. J. Cairney. 1974. The
Ecological Consequences of Massive
Quantities of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T
Herbicides — Summary of a Five
Year Field Study. Presented at
Weed Science Society of America,
Las Vegas, Nevada, 14 February
1974. Abstract No. 164.
Young, A.L., E.L. Arnold and A.M.
Wachinaki. 1974. Field Studies
on the Soil Persistence and Movement of 2,4-D, 2,4,5-T and TCDD.
Presented at Weed Science Society
of America, Las Vegas, Nevada,
13 February 1974. Abstract No. 226

Name:

D. J. Kilian

Address:

Director
Industrial Medicine, Toxicology,

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�and Biomedical Research Laboratory
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
Freeport, Texas 77541

Background:

M.D.

Area of Testimony: Dr. Kilian will testify regarding the non-mutagenicity
of 2,4,5-T based on
karyotyping studies of exposed
Dow workers.

Name:

Richard J. Kociba

Address:

Research Pathologist - Toxicology
Laboratory
Health and Environmental Research
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
1803 Building
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

D.V.M., Diplomat, American Veterinary Pathologists
Ph.D. - Pathology

Area of Testimony;

Dr. Kociba will testify regarding the toxicity of 2,4,5-T and
TCDD based on ninety-day studies
of repeated oral doses on rats.

Bibliography:

DD43, DD44, DD181

Name:

Horst G. Langer

Address:

Associate Scientist
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
Eastern Research Laboratory
P. 0. Box 400

Wayland, Massachusetts
Background:

Diploma in Chemistry
D.Sc. - Chemistry
Technical University,
Braunschweig, Germany

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01778

�Area of Testimony:

Dr. Langer will testify regarding
the formation of TCDD from thermal stress of 2,4,5-T under ordinary environmental conditions.

Bibliography:

DD101 (also EPA1, EDF3), DD154
(also EPAl, EDF4), EDF38 (also
EPAl), EPA2 (also EDF5).

Langer, H.G., et al., Chlorodioxins - Origin and Fate, E.H.
Blair, ed., Advances in Chemistry
Series, pp. 26-32 (1973)

Name:

Fumio Matsumura

Address:

Professor of Insect Toxicology
Dept. of Entomology
University of Wisconsin
Madison, Wisconsin 53703

Background:

Ph.D. - Zoology

Area of Testimony:

Dr. Matsumura will testify regarding the bioaccumulation and degradation of TCDD.

Bibliography:

DD129 (also EPAl and EDF36)

Name:

Donald D. McCollister

Address:

Manager, Product Registration
Section
Health and Environmental Research
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
P. 0. Box 1706
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

B.S. - Industrial Chemistry

Area of Testimony:

Mr. McCollister will testify regarding the mammalian toxicology
of 2,4,5-T registration and cancellation proceedings; and label and
use precautions.

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�Bibliography:

DD30, DD36, DD41, DD42, DD43, DD44,
DD45, DD46, DD47, DD108, DD174,
DD182-187.

Name:

Robert E. Naegele

Address:

Manager, Ag-Organics Department

Dow Chemical U.S.A.
P. 0. Box 1706
Midland, Michigan

48640

Background:

B.S. - Engineering
M.S. - Organic Chemistry

Area of Testimony:

Mr. Naegele will testify regarding the marketing of 2,4,5-T.

Name:

Jesse M. Norris

Address:

Research Specialist in Toxicology
Health and Environmental Research
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
1803 Building
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

M.S. - Zoology

Area of Testimony

Ms. Norris will testify regarding toxicological studies of TCDD
and, to the extent in issue, the
relative toxicological properties
of the other dioxins which may
occur in 2,4,5-T.

Bibliography:

DD3, DD24, (also EPA27, EDF7,
USDA 1-35), DD28, DD52, DD53, DD180
(also EPA1 and EDP15), USDAl-16, EPA 22,
EPA 24.

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�Allen, J.R. (1964). The role of "toxic fat" in the
production of hydropericardium and ascites in chickens. Amer. J. Vet. Res. 25, 1210.
Ames, S.R., Swanson, W.J. and Harris, P.L. (1960).
Studies on a factor causing pericardial edema in
chicks and its occurrence in some oleic acids.
Fed. Proc. 19, 323 — Abstract.
Brew, W.B. and Dore, J.B. (1959). Characterization
of a type of unidentified compound producing edema
in chicks. J. of A.O.A.C. 42, 120.
Cantrell, J.S., Webb, N.C. and Mabis, A.J. (1969).
The identification and crystal structure of a hydropericardium-producing factor: 1,2,3,7,8,9-hexachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin. Acta Cryst. B25, 150.
Cunningham, H.M. and Williams, D.T. 1972. Effect
of tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin on growth rate and
synthesis of lipids and protein in rats. Bull. Env.
Contain, and Toxicol. ]_' 45*
Dunahoo, W.S., Edwards, H.M Jr., Schmittle, S.C. and
Fuller, H.L. 1959. Studies on toxic fat in the
rations of laying hens and pullets. Poultry Sci.
38(3), 663.
Flick, D.F., Winbush, J. and Friedman L. 1963. Bioassay of chick edema factor. J. of A.O.A.C. 46, 406.
Flick, D.F., Firestone, D. and Higginbotham, G.R.
1972. Studies of the chick edema disease, 9. Response of chicks fed on single administered synthetic edema-producing compounds. Poultry Sci.
51, 2026.
Metcalfe, L.D. (1972). Proposed source of chick edema
factor. J. of A.O.A.C. 55, 542.
MeCune, E.L., Savage, J.E. and O'Dell, B.L. (1962).
Hydropericardium and ascites in chicks fed a
chlorinated hydrocarbon. Poultry Sci. 41, 295.
Milnes, M.H. (1971). Formation of 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-dioxin by thermal decomposition of
sodium 2,4,5-trichlorophenate. Nature 232, 395.
Schulz, K.H. (1968). Clinical picture and etiology
of chloracne. Arbeitsmedizin-Sozialmedizin-

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�Arbeitshygiene 3, 25.
Schwartz, L. (1936). Dermatitis from synthetic resins
and waxes. Am. J. Pub. Health 26, 586.
Scott, L.C. 1960. The cause of alimentary toxemia in
chickens, toxic fat — its effect on swine performance. J. Am. Vet. Med. Assoc. 137, 258.
Tomita, M., Ueda, S. and Narisada, M. (1959). Dibenzop-dioxin derivatives. XXVII. Synthesis of polyhalodibenzo-p-dioxin. Chem. Abst. 53, 13152.
Vos, J.G. and Beems, R.B. (1971). Dermal toxicity
studies of technical polychlorinated biphenyls
and fractions thereof in rabbits. Toxic. Appl.
Pharmac. 19, 617.
Vos, J.G. and Koeman, J.H. (1970). Comparative
toxicologic studies with polychlorinated biphenyls in chickens with special reference to
porphyria, edema formation, liver necrosis, and
tissue residues. Toxic. Appl. Pharmac. 17, 656.
Vos, J.G., Koeman, J.H., Van der Maas, H.L., ten
Noever de Brauw, M.c. and De Vos, R.H. (1970).
Identification and toxicological evaluation of
chlorinated dibenzofurans and chlorinated naphthalene in two commercial polychlorinated biphenyls. Pood Cosmet. Toxicol. 8, 625.
Wootton, J.C. and Alexander, J.C. (1959). Some
chemical characteristics of the chick edema
disease factor. J. of A.O.A.C. 42, 141.
Yartzoff, A., Firestone, D., Banes, D., Horwitz,
W., Friedman, L. and Nesheim, S. (1961). Studies
of the chick edema factor. II. Isolation of a
toxic substance. J. Amer. Oil Chem. Soc. 38, 60.

Name:

Virgil B. Robinson

Address:

Director, Dept. Pathology and
Toxicology
Indianapolis Division Life
Sciences Dept.
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
P. 0. Box 68511
16

�Indianapolis, Indiana

46268

Background:

M.S., D.V.M., Ph.D. - Comparative
Pathology

Area of Testimony:

Dr. Robinson will testify regarding
the teratogenicity studies of 2,4,5-T
on rats and rabbits.

Bibliography:

DD13 (also EPA16 and USDA1-6)

Choudhury, B. and Robinson, V. B. Clinical and
Pathologic Effects Produced in Goats by the Ingestion of Toxic Amounts of Chlordan and Toxaphene.
Am. J. Vet. Res., 11 (1950):50-57.
Cooperrider, D. E., Robinson, V. B. and Staton L.
Dioctophyma Renale in a Dog. J.A.V.M.A., 124
(1954):381-383.
Johnston, R. V., York, C. J., Robinson, V. B.
Brueckner, A. H., and Burch, G. R. Immunology of
Canine Distemper. Vet. Med. August (1959):405-412.
Johnston, R. V., Robinson, Virgil, and Mayer, Karl.
Use and Abuse of Modified Live Virus Vaccines.
Allied Veterinarian (May-June) 1958.
Molello, J. A., Gerbig, C. G., and Robinson, V. B.
Toxicity of [4,4'-(Isopropylidenedithio)bis(2,6-dit-butylphenol)j, Probucol, in Mice, Rats, Dogs
and Monkeys: Demonstration of a Species-Specific
Phenomenon. Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology,
24_, 590-593 (1973).
Newberne, James W., Robinson, Virgil B., and RisingMoore, Fred. Hemolytic Anemia in Baby Pigs—Report
of a Case. J.A.V.M.A. 129; 8 (1956) 361-363.
Newberne, J. W., Johnston, R. V., and Robinson, V. B.
Studies on Clinical and Histopathological Aspects
of Feline Panleukopenia (Infectious Enteritis).
Southwestern Vet., 1(3 (1957) Winter Issue.
Newberne, J. W., Robinson, V. B., and Bowen, N. E.
Histological Aspects of Klossiella equi in the
Kidney of a Zebra. Am. J. Vet. Res., 19:71 (1958).

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�Newberne, J. W., and Robinson, V. B. Malignant Lymphoma
in the South American Chinchilla. North Am. Vet.,
3£ (1957):362-372.
Newberne, J. W., Johnston, R. V., Robinson, V. B,
York, C. J., and Sanders, E. F. Recent Studies,
on the Properties of a Nonvirulent Living Hog
Cholera Vaccine. Vet. Med., 5^4 (1959): 41-47.
Newberne, J. W., and Robinson, V. B. Spontaneous
Tumors in Primates. Am. J. Vet. Res., 21: 80
(1960) 150-155.
Newberne, J. W., Robinson, V. B., Estill, Lilah,
and Brinkman, D. Granular Structures in Brains
of Neurologically Normal Dogs. Am. J. Vet. Res.,
21_: 84 (1960) 782-786.
Newberne, J. W., Robinson, V. B., and Alter, Mary
L. Incidence of Infectious Bovine Rhinotracheitis
and Bovine Virus Diarrhea. Vet. Med., 56: 9 (1961)
395.
~
Robinson, Virgil B. Instrumentation for Scientific
Excellence in Veterinary Medical Laboratories.
Proc. 67th Ann. Meeting U. S. Livestock Sanit.
Assn., Veterinary Laboratory Diagnosticians
Conference (1963).
Robinson, Virgil B. and Kay, John. Experiments
with Phenothiazine in the Treatment of Horses for
Strongyles. Vet. Med., 36 (1941).
Robinson, Virgil B. and Mossinger, A. V. Effects
of H (mustard gas) Contamination for War Dogs.
Chemical Warfare Service, Medical Research Division, Edgewood Arsenal, Maryland. Report No. 33,
3 June, 1944.
Robinson, Virgil B. Nasal Granuloma: A Report of
Two Cases in Cattle. Am. J. Vet. Res., 12 (1951):
85-89.
Robinson, Virgil B. and Schell, Fred G. Blastomycosis
in a Dog. N. Am. Vet., 32 (1951):555-558.
Robinson, Virgil B., McVicker, D. L., and Peterson,
J. C. Some Aspects of the Epizootiology of Histoplasmosis in Two Boxer Breeding Kennels. J.A.V.M.A.,
119 (1951):195-200.

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�Robinson, Virgil B. and McVicker, D. L. The Pathology
of Canine Histoplasmosis as Seen in Twenty-one
Spontaneous Cases. Am. J. Vet. Res., 13. (1952):
214-219.
Robinson, Virgil B. Correct Laboratory Diagnosis
Begins with You. Allied Veterinarian (May-June)
1956.
Robinson, V. B., Newberne, J. W., and Brooks, D. M.
Distemper in the American Raccoon (Procyon Lotor).
J.A.V.M.A., 131 (1957):276-278.
Robinson, Virgil B. Rabies in Animals. J. Ind.
State Med. Assn. 52: 9 (1959) 1443-1465.
Robinson, V. B., Newberne, J. W., and Mitchell, F. E.
Vaccination of Pregnant Cattle with Infectious
Bovine Rhinotracheitis Vaccine. Vet. Med. 56; 10
(1961) 437-440.
Robinson, V. B. Organization and Function of a
Veterinary Medical Laboratory. Proc. 65th Ann.
Meeting U. S. Livestock Sanit. Assn., Veterinary
Laboratory Diagnosticians Conference (1961),
Pages 493-498.
Robinson, Virgil B. and Ehrenford, Frank A. Hepatic
Lesions Associated with Liver Fluke (Platynosomum
fastosum) Infection in a Cat. Am. J. Vet. Res.
23_: 97 (1962) 1300-1303.
Robinson, Virgil B. Personnel Classifications and
Appropriate Qualifications for Veterinary Medical
Laboratories. Proc. 66th Ann. Meeting U.S. Livestock Sanit. Assn., Veterinary Laboratory Diagnosticians Conference (1962).
Robinson, Virgil B. and Emerson, James L. Handling
Hazardous Chemicals, J.A.V.M.A., Vol 161, No. 11,
1512-1566.
Thompson, D. J., Warner, S. D., and Robinson, V. B.
Teratology Studies on Orally Administered Chloroform
in the Rat and Rabbit. In Press.
Weaver, L. C., Gardier, R. W., Robinson, V. B. and
Bunde, C. A. Comparative Toxicology of Iron Compounds. Am. J. Med. Sc., 241; 3 (1961).

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�Whaley/ A. E., Robinson, V. B., Newberne, J. W., and
Sipple, W. L. Bovine Encephalemeningitxs Associated
with Erysipelas Infection. Vet. Med., 53 (1958) 475,
York, C. J., Johnston, R. V., and Robinson, V. B.
Vaccines in the Control of Leptospirosis in Cattle
and Swine. Proc. Am. V. M. A. Meeting (August)
1955.

Name:

Verald K. Rowe

Address:

Research Scientist
Health and Environmental Research
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
1803 Building
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

M.S. Biochemistry
Sc.D. (honorary)

Area of Testimony:

Dr. Rowe will testify regarding
the toxicology of 2,4,5~T and
TCDD generally, as foundation for
the testimony of scientists in
specific areas.

Bibliography:

DD20 (also USDAl-34), DD24 (also
EPA27, EDF7, USDAl-35), DD25,
DD41, DD52, DD180 (also EPAl and
EDF15), EDF11.
Adams, Irish, Spencer and Rowe,
Industrial Medicine, Jan. 1941,
"The Response of Rabbit Skin to Compounds Reported to Have Caused Acneform
Dermatitis."
Lehman, A.J. 1952. Chemicals In
Foods: A Report to the Association of Food and Drug Officials
on Current Developments. Part II.
Pesticides. Association Food and
Drug Officials of U.S. 16(2) p. 49.
Lehman, A.J. 1952. Chemicals in
Foods: A Report to the Association
of Food and Drug Officials on Current Developments. Part V. Pathology.

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�p. 130.

Name:

Bernard A. Schwetz

Address:

Senior Research Specialist
Toxicology Laboratory
Health and Environmental Research
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
1803 Building
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

D.V.M., Ph.D. - Pharmacology

Area of Testimony;

Dr. Schwetz will testify regarding
the effects of 2,4,5-T and, to the
extent in issue, the chlorinated
dibenzo-p-dioxins, on the developing embryo and fetus.

Bibliography:

DD1 (also EDF21), DD3 (also EPA17,
EDF22 and USDAl-5), DD4, DD5 (also
EPA18), DD6 (also EPA19), DD7,
DD13 (also EPA16 and USDAl-6), DD14
(also USDAl), DD15, DD16, DD17 (also
USDAl-2), DD18, DD19 (also USDAl-19),
DD20 (also USDAl-34), DD21, DD22,
DD23, DD24 (also EPA27, EDF7,
USDA1-35), DD25, DD27, DD28, DD52,
DD163 (also USDA1-29, EDFl) DD180
(also EPA1 and EDF15), DD181.
Stotzer and Niggerschutzer, Private
Communications, Dec. 10, 1970 and
June 18, 1971.

Name:

Maurice Seevers

Address:

Professor Emeritus
Department of Pharmacology (Retired)
School of Medicine
University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48106

Background:

M.D., Ph.D. - Pharmacology

Area of Testimony:

Dr. Seevers will testify to the

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�"dose response" and "no effect"
level concepts and the extrapolation of observed effects to probable effects at other levels of activity,
Bibliography:

"Perspective Versus Caprice In
Evaluating Toxicity of Chemicals
in Man," 153 Jo. of AMA 1329-33
(Dec. 12, 1953).

Name:

Rudolph H. Stehl

Address:

Senior Analytical Specialist
Dowanol Laboratories
Dow Chemical U.S.A.
574 Building
Midland, Michigan 48640

Background:

Ph.D. - Analytic Chemistry

Area of Testimony;

Dr. Stehl will testify regarding
the difficulty of identifying compounds at extremely low levels (e.g.,
parts per trillion) and the formation of TCDD as the result of the
thermal stress of 2,4,5~T.

Bibliography:

DD102, DD112 (also EPA1), DD133,
DD179, DD188, DD189 (EPA4).

Name:

James M. Theis

Address:

Technical Manager
Herbicides Technology Center

Dow Chemical U.S.A.
ACPD Administration
834 Building
Midland, Michigan 48640
Background:

B.Sc. - Chemical Engineering

Area of Testimony:

Mr. Theis will testify regarding
the levels of TCDD in Dow's current 2,4,5-T production.

Bibliography:

Sample forms of Dow production

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�records.

Name:

Sylvan H. Wittwer

Address:

Assistant Dean College of Agriculture and Natural Resources and
Director, Michigan Agricultural
Experiment Station
Professor of Horticulture
Michigan State University
East Lansing/ Michigan 40823

Background:

Ph.D. - Horticulture

Area of Testimony:

Dr. Wittwer will testify regarding
the use of 2,4,5-T for maximum production of food crops.

Bibliography:

Wittwer, S.H. January 4, 1974. Maximum Production Capacity of Food
Crops. Submitted for publication
to Bioscience January 4, 1974.
Wittwer, S.H. 1970. Maximizing
Agricultural Production. Research
Management 13(2) 89-110.

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�B.

Dow Responses to March 11, 1974 Submissions.

The January 18, February 22 and March 11 exchanges
of memoranda have gone far towards identifying and refining
the ultimate issue in this proceeding, which is application
of the rule of reason to a number of subsidiary questions.
Although it may seem at this point that there will be
important questions of fact to be resolved, we do not expect
these to persist through the Hearing.

They appear to be the

result of continuing research and investigation, inadequate
earlier disclosure (some of which may be an unfortunate
incident of the traditional adversary legal context in which
these questions arise) and, perhaps, mistake.

If that is

so, the parties should be able to resolve them by agreement.
Strong as emotions and feelings may be in this and
similar kinds of cases, we believe the instances of deliberate misstatement or misrepresentation will be few and far
between.*

In final analysis, the issue for determination by

the Administrative Law Judge, as with the Alaskan pipeline,

We regret the tone of some of the exchanges in the memoranda. It may be characteristic of the adversary approach
in the ordinary plaintiff vs. defendant litigation, but
here it may serve to intimidate scientists (including even
those in the employ of a party), who in the past have understandably hesitated to leave their laboratories for fear of
just this kind of unpleasantness. We need their unfettered
participation in this proceeding, and are hopeful that all
parties will refrain from challenging integrity and collateral conduct, except on a reasonably founded basis.

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�the construction of a nuclear power plant and similar
problems in our over crowded, technology-oriented society,
will be whether the conceded benefits outweigh the conceded
risks from the viewpoint of society as a whole — not of any
single person. Obviously that delicate balancing judgment
may properly change as a consequence of an oil embargo or a
food shortage.
Unfortunately, our traditional adversary legal process — the only one we have at this time — tends to pose
issues in simplistic black and white terms:

guilty or not

guilty, right or wrong, liable or not liable. The memoranda
submitted in this case thus far to some extent do the same.
Although the "no risk" theory has been dropped, at least in
name, the March 11 submissions still appear to take a similar approach by contending, for example, that Dow has not
demonstrated a "no effect" level, or that Dow has not shown
there to be "no jeopardy" resulting from 2,4,5-T use.

We

hope this statement will not be quoted out of context, but
we submit that such tests cannot be met.

There are no

absolutes in science; there is no such thing as "no effect"
or "no jeopardy" in the lay sense in which Respondent uses
these terms. Everything has a cost, including not marketing
a product or using precious research resources to negate a
possibility where the resources might be better employed to

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�evaluate (never completely "negate") a more serious
possibility.
Nor is this case EOF vs. Dow, except in the procecural mold in which it has been cast by tradition.

If the

product at issue is cancelled, no one can market it and —
far more important — no one can buy or use it. Until we
develop some better legal method for resolving issues of
this kind (which include civil rights, antitrust and other
societal issues calling for the balancing of a myriad of
intangible interests and values), the Administrative Law
Judge must expect that the parties will marshall the
evidence for him to judge, will examine and cross-examine
the witnesses and perhaps — although we hope all will try
to avoid it — will occasionally indulge in legal jockeying.
But despite this, there is a third party standing in the
wings — the public — which is the only one which will
ultimately win or lose this case.
It may be helpful to consider application of the
rule of reason to several of the important questions posed
by the memoranda.
1.

Legal Burdens; The memoranda discuss at

considerable length the traditional concepts of
"burden of coming forward" with evidence and
ultimate "burden of proof."

In the usual

litigation, these are concepts to be applied by the

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�trier of fact in making a decision as to who wins
and who loses.

If the party with the burden of

coming forward (never quantified precisely) doesn't
sustain it, he loses; if he does, the party with
the burden of proof (50% plus) must then sustain it
or lose.

But in this case, these burdens translate

into the question "Who does what?"

Just how much

evidence must there be to justify the effort
required by long-term carcinogenicity or mutagenicity research, and who should do it? When new
analytical methods make it possible to detect
residues down to the ppt (parts per trillion)
level, who should conduct the research necessary to
evaluate the new findings?
ment?

Should it be Govern-

Registrants?
Respondent correctly states that the Adminis-

trator's Scientific Advisory Committee, in
approving continued 2,4,5-T use, recommended
certain additional studies.

But assuming such

studies are appropriate (a determination itself
dependent upon a rule of reason evaluation), who
should do it? Had the Administrator accepted the
Committee's Report contingent upon a further
submission by registrants at some later time, Dow
would have been faced with a rule of reason de-

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�cision — is the research justified in light of all
the proper considerations?

But the Administrator

rejected the Report and continued the cancellation.
This posed a different issue to registrants — is
immediate research by them justified in light of
all the proper considerations, including the
Administrator's adverse determination?

Or should

they rely on Government to conduct it? Or await
the outcome of the litigation?
Dow of course has continued research, and has
most recently determined to initiate additional research as the result of the scientific evaluations
made at the March 8-9 Scientific Conference in
Washington.

And Respondent has also recognized a

burden in this area.

It has already in its January

18 memorandum furnished data not previously disclosed.

It is still conducting environmental

monitoring projects and other studies which should
be helpful in arriving at a balanced risk/benefit
judgment in this case. Perhaps the results of
these ongoing efforts may indicate that the need
for further work is sufficiently great to justify
imposing an additional burden on registrants; or
that continuing governmental monitoring is called
for; or that work can reasonably be stopped — at

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�least until some new scientific discovery comes
along I *
Nor can these efforts be evaluated simply in
terms of their economic costs.

For example,

Respondent seeks Dow's cooperation in research of
TCDD residues in human fat.

(See second footnote,

EPA March 11 memorandum, page 2.) As earlier
described by Respondent, however, this work called
for a surgical procedure on a human population.
Unless Respondent has new information of which Dow
is not yet informed or proposes a non-surgical approach, we question the justification of surgical
sampling of humans.

But that, again, is a decision

for application of the rule of reason by the
Administrative Law Judge.
2.

No Effect. Respondent emphasizes that Dow has

not satisfactorily established a "no effect" level

We hope there will be no "sandbagging" in this proceeding,
with the holding back of test data or results of monitoring studies to spring on some scientist in cross-examination. The result would not only negate the scientific
method (for who can deal with new esoteric scientific data
off-the-cuff?), but serve to frighten the scientific community away from participating in this and future cases.
Data should be disclosed as soon as properly evaluated and
ready.

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�with respect to the use of 2,4,5-T. Although as
elsewhere, even scientists in the employ of the
same party sometimes use the term with different
meanings, the better use of "no effect" is as a
technical scientific phrase to characterize the
results of certain specific experimental
observations.

However, Respondent appears to use

the term in its lay sense, to mean that the
environmental residue levels which may result from
use of the product have absolutely "no" adverse
toxicological effect.
Again we hope we will not be quoted out of
this context, but in true science there simply is
no such thing as "no effect" in the above sense.
Although Respondent objects to Dow's use of
qualifying terms throughout — and Dow does, and
must continue to do so* — the correct lay phrase
should be "no significant effect" or "no

Indeed, on occasion to avoid redundancy, the January 18
Dow memorandum uses the term "no effect" without a qualifying description. Throughout, however, the term is intended to be used with the qualifications to which Respondent objects.

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�substantial effect" or "no detectable effect" or
"no observed effect" or "no reported effect" or "no
discernible effect" or "no untoward effect."
tainty is impossible.

Cer-

When the older participants

in this proceeding went to school/ they learned the
principle of the "conservation of matter."

But it

wasn't so, and something else won't be so tomorrow.
We may now be down at ppt detection levels; but
perhaps even before this case is finished, we will
be at ppq (parts per quadrillion). What then?
The most science can give us is a confidence
level, statistically arrived at, which can be evaluated. For example, a teratology study employing
certain protocols and using certain specified dosages of a compound in 100 mice, discloses certain
results.

Those results can be extrapolated to

larger populations of mice, but only within certain
confidence levels, not with certainty.

Extrapola-

tion can also be made to higher or lower doses, and
to different species — rats, rabbits and humans.
But never with certainty — always with some open
area of doubt and risk.
The rule of reason decisions to be made under
these circumstances are whether the work done thus
far is sufficient to have reduced the level of

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�doubt and risk below the benefits of use; whether
the additional work required to reduce the level of
risk even further is worth its associated costs and
other detriments; and, if so, whether such risks
and doubts are sufficient to require that the added
effort be undertaken by registrants (which would
otherwise be prohibited from marketing the product)
or by Government.
Here again there is not as much difference between the parties as might at first appear.
Government has assumed the burden of conducting
what is within the scientific community popularly
called "mega mouse" research at the National Center
for Toxicological Research (NCTR) facility in Pine
Bluff, Arkansas. A target goal has been set to
achieve a confidence level of 1 in 10,000, requiring something like 800,000 test animals, although at present it appears that a more realistic
near-term objective will be 1 in 1,000. Work of
this kind seems clearly beyond the realistic
present economic capacity of any single registrant
— although the rule of reason cautions that
perhaps one day even that may change.
Respondent is correct that terms need definition. As with "no effect", "dose response" is a

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�phrase used rather widely by toxicologists, but not
always with the same meaning; the very different
terms "bio-accumulation" and "bio-concentration"
are sometimes used interchangeably in memoranda of
even the same party (see EOF March 21 memo, pp. 1819); the same is true of such words as "teratology"* and "accumulation." An effort should
certainly be made at the Hearing to see that words
are employed uniformly.

But an observation is an

observation, assuming the validity of the methodology employed and the integrity of the researcher.
The question of whether it is a "teratogenic"
observation is simply another way of trying to
identify and quantify the nature and degree of the
risk involved.
It will be of critical importance throughout
this proceeding for the parties to try to see that
conclusory terms of this kind are properly
explained. We can live with different usages if
the differences are identified.

Respondent appears to define teratology to include death,
on the ground that it "must be considered the ultimate
malformation." (EPA March 11 memo, p.5). This is not
one of the usual definitions.

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�3.

Economics; Application of the rule of reason

in this litigation cannot be divorced from any
legitimate societal value, including economics.
Registrants such as Dow are constantly faced with
decisions which require the same kinds of balancing
of conflicting interests as are involved in the
main case itself.

Some earlier registrants, in-

eluding Hercules which was a party here at one
time, decided to withdraw completely; even those
still involved in the present stage concluded not
to oppose suspension of certain uses of the product, such as around the home. When the evidence is
all in, it will be obvious that those continuing on
here have considered a factor in their rule of
reason decision to proceed in addition to the use
of 2,4,5-T itself.* That is of course the
opportunity which S 6(b)(2) of the new statute
affords to develop some better method for resolving
these kinds of issues in a rational manner, placing

We hope the Administrative Law Judge will also conclude
at the end of this proceeding, that Dow's research effort
has been far above and beyond the call of what should be
expected in the routine registration.

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�the burdens where they should be and eliminating
the adversarial "entrapment" kind of approach
designed to "win" but not necessarily to achieve
the greatest benefit for society. In fashioning
such a procedure, we hope the Administrative Law
Judge will not consider that the scientific
research and even legal effort expended by those
aligned with registrants in this case should be
replicated in every similar proceeding.
4»

Teratology. Although we do not suggest that

Respondent has conceded away any issue, a reading
of the EPA and EDF briefs suggests that the significant risk areas requiring evaluation in this
proceeding all concern teratology -— the
possibility of human birth defects resulting from
the TCDD contaminant in 2,4,5-T as presently
marketed.

With respect to all other questions —

carcinogenicity, mutagenicity, other dioxins — the
most that is really contended is that additional
study is required. Additional research would be
nice, of course, although perhaps an unjustified
luxury, but we do not think the evidence as outlined by EPA and EDF is sufficient to call for its
conduct by Dow.

Whether it is the best use of

limited Government resources is a question which

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�government itself must decide. But the rule of
reason approach suggests that at this point a
determination can be made on the memoranda
themselves that the matter for consideration in
this case should be the balancing of the risk/benefit equation in terms of possible human birth
defects resulting from exposure to the TCDD
contaminant in 2,4,5-T. As the results of
additional Government and other research are
received, some of which are well under way, we
would hope to continue to work with Respondent,
where appropriate assuming the responsibility to
undertake more effort as indicated.

Perhaps one

day even less toxic products will be developed, or
new scientific method will suggest new approaches.
Litigation of issues as tenuous as those other than
teratology is not the proper way even under today's
inadequate procedures.

Undoubtedly there will be extremists who testify
here, perhaps on both sides, but we hope there will be no
serious factual issues.

We believe that the task for the

Administrative Law Judge will be to evaluate the process by
which the scientist comes to the essentially societal

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�conclusion that "The risk is (or is not) acceptable." We do
not let the surgeon do this for us in open heart surgery; we
do not let the attorney do this for us in the plea of guilty
to crime; we cannot let the scientist do this for us in
deciding whether the food, right-of-way and forestry
benefits of 2,4,5-T outweigh its risks. But to effectively
perform the function requires that the scientist clearly
divorce what is scientific observation and accepted
scientific opinion from bias and emotion, and that he
quantify his conclusions in terms we can understand ("In
4,000 similar open heart surgical procedures, 3% of the
patients died and 87% recovered to the same level of
activity and health as before the attack").

If this can be

accomplished in this proceeding, everyone will win, for
justice will have been done.*

*

The foregoing discussion is limited to that appropriate
to a further pinpointing of the issues, and is not intended to be responsive to all the evidentiary contentions. Thus, for example, Respondent interprets Dow's
reference to "environmental use levels" as meaning ".01
ppm [TCDD] in the technical material," (EPA memo, March
11, p. 13), where the relevant figure should be .1 ppm
in the product used, or less. All of this is the subject for evidence and summary argument, not prehearing
memoranda which are the product of trial counsel's
vigorous but not necessarily scientifically qualified
efforts. Our silence or failure of response should not
be considered admission to any of these evidentiary
statements.

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�C.

Dow Proposed Agenda for March 26, 1974,
Prehearing Conference.
The matters which Dow requests be considered at the

Second Prehearing Conference are the following:
1.

Limitation of Issues (Dow Prehearing
Memorandum (No. 3), p. 15.)

2.

Privilege (id., p. 20).

3.

Consolidation

4.

Notice (id., p. 25).

5.

Further schedule (id., Draft Response

(id., p. 21).

attached to Exhibit E, 1(4) .
6.

Hearing Date (id., p. 22).

We wish to comment further than the above references only with respect to the date for Hearing.

We are

most hopeful that the Administrative Law Judge will adhere
to the present April 23, 1974 date.

There are many reasons,

which can be argued at the March 26 Prehearing Conference if
there is opposition.

But the most important and overriding

reason, which warrants emphasis now even before any
opposition is noted, is the effect of any significant delay
on the participation of third party witnesses, most of whom
will probably be called to testify by parties other than

Dow.
An April Hearing date has been the target beginning
ever since last July, when it was fixed by the Assistant
Administrator.

The interest of many non-party scientists,

and of the parties themselves, has been mounting as the time

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�approaches.

This was most recently evidenced by the enthu-

siasm apparent at the USDA/Dow March 8-9 2,4,5-T scientific
conference in Washington, D.C.

Experience teaches that one

cannot maintain such attention for too long a period; the
surfer must capture the crest of the wave before it breaks.
We urge the Administrative Law Judge to adhere to
the April 23, 1974 date for commencing the Hearing in this
proceeding.
CONCLUSION
From the inception of this proceeding as the result
of the Administrator's August 6, 1971, order, an effort has
been made informally, by negotiation, and formally, by litigation, to eliminate its adversarial government vs. registrants character.

The enactment of § 6{b)(2) of the new

statute finally affords an exceptional and perhaps unique
opportunity to conduct a true scientific inquiry, not an adversary litigation.

If it is successful, it could be the

forerunner of similar approaches to many of the important
questions of today and tomorrow.
We hope the FIFRA § 6(b)(1) rice use/benefit portion of this proceeding will be recognized as an anachronism, made necessary by the limitations of the old
statute.

With respect to all other 2,4,5-T uses, the

Administrator has made no determination except that this

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�inquiry is warranted.

We hope the Agency, and the parties,

will pursue the Administrator's non-adversarial role.
The issues for decision include whether additional
research effort is required in a number of areas and, if so,
which party has the burden of carrying each project forward.
Until final determination, each party has necessarily decided for itself which such work it will undertake.

In some

instances the results have not yet been published, and some
are still being disclosed.

Because new data may continue to

be presented even during the Hearing (we hope not for the
purpose of "surprise"), it is especially important that the
parties avoid inflexible or final adversarial positions at
this time.
Finally, no party will "win" or "lose" if 2,4,5-T
is approved or banned.

Even were Dow to bow out (which it

has no intention of doing), the public is entitled to a fair
and proper conclusion as to whether it may use the product.
It should be the function of the parties to help
fashion a proceeding under this new statute, in which
science can present its data and conclusions fully and in
scientific fashion, without the calumny, invective and
charge of improper motivation which have sometimes
characterized other proceedings.

Dow — and everyone

—

will win if at the end it can be properly concluded that a
just and equitable balancing of all the risks and all the

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�benefits was conducted.

The integrity of the process itself

is the most important issue of all.

Dated:

New York, New York,
March 21, 1974.
Respectfully submitted,
KAYE, SCHOLER, FIERMAN,
HAYS &amp; HANDLER.
Hearing Attorneys for Registrant,
The Dow Chemical Company.
425 Park Avenue,
New York, New York 10022.
Additional Address for Hearing
1625 I Street, N.W.,
Suite 707,
Washington, D.C.
20006.
Tel. 202-833-9430

Miriam C. Feigelson,
Michael J. Traynor and
Milton R. Wessel,

of Counsel.

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�CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

I hereby certify that a copy of the attached Dow
Prehearing Memorandum (No. 4), dated March 21, 1974 was
served today by postage prepaid mail, upon the persons
whose names and addresses are listed below:
Amchem Products, Inc.

Ernest G. Szoke, Chief Counsel
Brookside Avenue
Ambler, Pennsylvania 19002
American Farm Bureau Federation
William J. Kuhfuss, President
225 Touhy Avenue
Park Ridge, Illinois 60068
Association of American Railroads
Harry J. Breithaupt, Jr., Esq.
General Counsel
Law Department
American Railroads Building
Washington, D.C. 20036
Environmental Defense Fund, Inc.
Consumers Union of United States, Inc,
Harrison Wellford
William A. Butler, Esq.

1525 18th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036
Environmental Protection Agency
Timothy L. Barker, Esq.
Office of General Counsel
401 M Street, S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20460
National Forest Products Association
William D. Rogers, Esq.
Richard Wertheimer, Esq.
Arnold &amp; Porter
1229 Nineteenth Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20036

�Thompson-Hayward Chemical Company
C. E. Lombard!, Jr., Esq.
Blackwell Sanders Matheny Weary &amp; Lombard!
Five Crown Center
2480 Pershing Road
Kansas City, Missouri 64108
Transvaal, Inc.
J. Robert Hasness
Director of Technical Services
P. O. Box 69
Jacksonville, Arkansas

72076

United States Department of Agriculture
Raymond W. Fullerton, Esq.
Alfred R. Nolting, Esq.
Margaret Bresnahan Carlson, Esq.
Office of the General Counsel
12th &amp; Independence Sts., S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20250
United States Department of Transportation
J. Thomas Tidd, Esq.
General Counsel
Washington, D.C. 20590

Dated: Washington, D.C.
March 21, 1974

^

Milton R. Wessel

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