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McCarthy, Richard D.

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Report/Article Title Probe Into Use of Herbicides by Congressman Richard
D. McCarthy

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Hearings Before the Subcommittee on Energy, Natural

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197

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February 13

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Alvin L

Friday, March 16, 2001

Young filed this item under the category
"Human Exposure to Phenoxy Herbicides and TCDD";
Pages 160-161 missing

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�EFFECTSiQR 2,4,5-1 OH MAN AND THE ENVIRONMENT

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HEARINGS
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EFFECTS OF 2,4,5-T ON MAN AND THE ENVIRONMENT
APRIL T AND 15, 1070

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p.p.m. 2,4,8-T. The milk bad been distributed before analysis was comt
processing of the sugar-beets removes the chemical. If food Is found to contj
finite residues of 2,4,&amp;VT, It is subject to removal from the market
•TAtro or 2.4.&amp;T mmat THE mniu, roop, raw, AMD OOSUBTIO ACT
No finite tolerances hare been established for residues of 2,4,8-T or the \
Ins In food, In the absence of established .tolerances any detectable ami
either chemical In food would make the contaminated food Illegal and
to seizure If found In the channels of Interstate commerce.
A petition was filed In December, 190T requesting the establishment of
ances of O2 p.p.m. for residues of 2,4,5-T on apples, barley, blueberries,
oats, rice, rye, sugarcane, and wheat Neither the petition as originally sul
tod or as later pnpplemented provided data to rapport affirmative action*
the petitioner withdrew his petition on December 29, 1960, as provided j
under tiie pesticide regulations.
I
Petitions to establish a safe tolerance level for residues of 2,4,8-T In
may again be submitted to the FDA In the future. However, any such sul
slon must tndude scientific research data to resolve the questions that
been raised concerning torldty of 2,4,6-T and the dloxlns.
, CONCLUSION
The Department of Health, Education, and Welfare Is continuing inv
tions to determine the potential hazards from the possible presence of :
of 2,4£-T and dloxlns In foods, water, and other environmental soi
which the public may be exposed.
It Is to be emphasized that there Is no tolerance for 2,4,5-T In food
the testing of food over .the past several yean has revealed no slgnt
problem of food contamination.
Appendix 5
PKOBK Iirtb Use or HUBIOIDES BY COKOUSSUAN RICHARD D.
D-N.Y.
I
Globe, Aris., February 13,1070
Ladles and gentlemen, I think we should begin. I am Congressman
D. McCarthy, and the hearings will come to order.
For more t$an a decade scientists have had serious misgivings about1
widespread use of herbicides and pesticides in the environment The
Rachael Carson warned of the risk of the use of herbicides, whose effects'
either harmful or7 unknown.
In the United States 120 mlUton acres each year are sprayed with :
for the clearing of railroads, for brush control, for watershed ma
and for other purposes. One of these Is known as 2,4^5-T. It was developed i
perfected at FWDetrlck, Md., the army's chief Biological Warfare ~
Center.-The hertlcide 2,4^-T, and 2,4-D, a related herbicide, co
account for some 83 million pounds of production per year—that was'
figure In 196a :
I've long been concerned with the widespread use of these herbicides In
nam. Bach day some 100 tons are dropped on South Vietnam, and eclei
for many months have been concerned about the adverse ecological effects;
this berblddal Inundation.
.
Last summer in the course of my Inquiry into the Army's germ and gas •
fare policies,,! learned that a study, by the BloneUcs Research Laborat
for the Nattpnal .Cancer Instttuto showed that the herbicide 2,4,5-T prodp
birth defects Jta ra^M mice. ;
When the conclnslons of tills study were known, the President's
adviser, In October,.announced a ban on the herbicide beginning Ja
1070, unless the FJXA. had found safe legal tolerances. I was dlstr
days ago to learn tthat contrary to the White House's announcement,
Department of'Agriculture continues to authorize the use of 2,4,5-T In, 1
United States. In Incredible to me that someone, or some people should "
succeeded In overruling the science adviser to the President of the ~
States.

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i' know from the thalldomide experience that .If we are going to err, 'we
1,1 «rr -on the Bide of caution, and not on the side of danger. It Is my firm
"'" i n«n that such chemicals should not be used unless full tests show tliat
4
* nraiafe. It to also incredible to me that this herbicide, which has been In
1
i »»WA since Its 'development tome 25 years ago at .the derm Warfare
*** '£h Center, still hag not been fully tested for its terotogenlc effects' on
Ufw-'""-. ,-ingg—that to, ita power to produce birth deformities.
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'u'« know that It produces birth deformities In test animals under laboratory
...iitions. and we continue to receive reports from Vietnam that civilian
" ' living In this heavily defoliated area are bringing forth deformed
""TIMS sSgon Press has reported on these in considerable detail
vuw we have the allegations, and complaints emanating from here, Globe,
vrlc. It to my hope that my investigation into these complaints and allegations
will auslst me In, continuing my inquiry Into this whole matter. I wish to
iii'tennine how the" White House was overruled, and why it to' that we continue
„, us». tills herbicide despite the warning signals that have arisen.
v .
\« the great French scientist physiologist, Claude Bonard, once said, "True
*-iViicc teaclies us to doubt, and ignorance to refrain.*'
.
;
I want to welcome all the local State .and Federal officials who are in
ni tendance. I hope to have a chance to meet with you personally during our
* our first witness to Prof. Arthur W. Galston, a professor of biology from
:
Yale University.
Doctor Galston.
Professor Galston, I wonder if. for the record, you would identify yourself,
•i ml your background, and particular expertise in the matters under inquiry.
Or. GALSTON. Very happy to do that, Congressman.
Cut currently a professor of biology at Yale University. I'm also lecturer in
forestry, and director of the March Botanical Gardens at Yale. I've been a pror«i&lt;xor of plant physiology for about 27 years. I was trained at the New York
State College of Agriculture at Cornell University.
[ did my graduate work at the University of Illinois, where I earned a Ph.D.
in 1913. I then went to work for the emergency rubber project for
the U.S. Government, located at Cal-Tech. During World War I was agricultural officer for U.S. Navy Military Government on the Isle of Okinawa. I .then
worked at Cal-Tech for 10 years, and I've been at Yale for the last 15 years.
I've published books in the area of plant physiology, and I have over 100
articles In the subject
Congressman MCCARTHY. For the record, Doctor Galston, I wonder if you
could give us a scientific information about the herbicide under investigation.
DR. GALSTOIT. Congressmen, what I'd like to do to to give you and the audience here some appreciation of the feeling of a large number of scientists as
exemplified in this report recently delivered to the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare; Finch.
It Is called, "The Report of the Secretary's Commission on Pesticides 'and
Their Relationship to Environmental Health." It's dated December 5, 1909, and
was prepared by the distinguished panel shared by Doctor EmU Mrak, the
chancellor emeritus of the University of California at Davis.
It Included many academic people, and also the vice presidents of two
important companies, Dow, and Eli Lilly, both of whom manufacture herbicides and other pesticides In wide use.
The Commission takes note of the fact that there are now more than 400
different kinds of chemicals which an being used as pesticides to combat
insects, fungi, weeds, and .other predators.
Our modern agriculture and highly technlcalized food production activities
demand that we do use chemicals in agriculture.
I'd like to make It clear that I'm not alining myself with people that say,
"Stop all chemicals." That's ridiculous in this day and age. We are dependent
upon chemicals, and ,we have to keep using them.
.;
Nonetheless, some of these chemicals, are terribly noxious when introduced
Into the environment
All of us are now familiar with the fact that DDT may be more of a bane
than a boom. It has become global Even a penguin picked up on an Ice flow in
Antarctica to full Of DDT, and that was 400 miles from the application of

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know

;DDT causes overstaed livers, and alterattq
one's'genes. ••
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unanimously that DDT must be phased):

wS ^a^5a" bkckgr^und, I think it's perfectly dear that as
Inforaattonid^elopSr we;are going to, want to exairilne every pesUcl*
possible harmful effects on man and his domestic animals, and his
tH6Dt*'

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Here I must digress to tell you about the changes that have

It used to be that rimple toxlcolocy testa were conducted. A
animal, men as a mouse or a rat was fed a certain amount of
that animal showed serious symptoms, the teratogenlclty was calcula
base of how many milligrams per kilogram of body weight of this
produced the toxic effects.
We now bare tables which teU ns roughly how toxW glren materials
Now, based on that kind of test, 2,4,6-T, for example, is not ter
tfs only a mildly toxic compound in the order of 2 to 700 kilograms
of body weight cause toxldty.
If, however, yon use more subtle tests, you find out that 2.4,6-T may !
dangerous.
'
Among these tests are: Doe* the compound cause cancer? That takes
• more serious look than simply feeding and watching the dying of animals.
Secondly, do the compounds cause genetic effects, that is, does it
mosomes, or cause mutations.
Thirdly, does the compound cause birth abnormalities. The word to
that Is teratogenlcs; that is the formation of monsters.
Mow, this report which I hare alluded to has as its last chapter,
on teratology, and I'd like to read yon just a little bit out of this c
out of the summary which is written here, which gires yon my concern.
"All currently used pesticides should be tested for teratogenlclty in
future in two or more mammalian species chosen on the basis of the
metabolic and pharmacologlc similarity to human beings possible. Pe
shonldjbe tested at various concentrations Including levels substantially
than tftose to which the human population are likely to be exposed.
dures shon}d also reflect routes related to human exposures. Apart
obvious route of Ingestton, attention should be directed to other routes
sure, founding Inhalation exposures from pesticide aerosols and v
pesticide, strips used domestically, and exposures from skin absorption,
teral administration is an appropriate test route for pesticides
humansjare exposed by inhalation, or for pesticides, which are
absorpea following Ingestton.
"The use *f currently registered pesticides to which humans are &lt;
which are found to be teratogenic by suitable test procedures in &lt;
mammalian species should be immediately restricted to prevent risk of :
erposures."
I'd like to repeat that: "Currently registered pesticides to which hv
exposed and* which are found to be teratogenic by suitable test proceda
one or more, mammalian species should be Immediately restricted to p
risk of bpman exposure. Such pesticides, In current use, Include—" 111
lot of names; 2,4-D and 2.4.K-T are listed.
Here's the&gt; Government's most distinguished panel saying that there
dence that 2,45-T has produced teratogenic effects In one or more manu
species, its use should be restricted Immediately. They also said no new
dde found to, be teratogenic, should be used only in drcnmstances where*
of human exposure is minimal.
Congressman MCGABTHT. Whafs the date of that report, Professor)
Dr. Qumoy. December 8, I960, tfs now only 2 months old, Con,
and It says Jk scientific group, or commission should be charged wltti|
responsibility for continued surveillance of the whole problem of pesttdde
togenesis.
Now, the problem of determining whether a problem is teratogenic,
it's given rise to birth defects Is terribly complicated. If yon do a lal
test where yoq have one group of mice getting the chemical, and one
not, there's no problem to determine teratogenldty. By this kind of test I
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i triioirram of body weight, and you say you have a 60-kilogram woman,
V »•« 110 pounds which is about the average weight of a Vietnamese woman,
i n she needs to digest only about 200 milligrams total to have a teratogenlc
i',!!!• 100 milligrams per day. Now, we are spraying agent orange, which Is a 1
. i mixture* of 2,4-D, and 2,4,&amp;T, In Vietnam at the rate of 270 pounds per
re. I should note that is 10 times what we used locally.
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ivineressman MCOAXTBT. What would it be in Arizona?
Dr. GALSTOW. I think our Forestry friends could tell us, it is in the order of
i wo pounds per acre.
Congressman MOGAKTHT. We will get to that with them today or tomorrow,
i.iit Hint's about the range?
or GAISTOK. At the Vietnam dose rate, if you assume a 27-pound per acre
xiirajed, followed by a 1-inch rainfall, which is normal for that region
ntiil you know that the rainwater Is collected off the roof, or stored in cisterns,
or gotten from very shallow wells, then a woman need only consume less than
3 quarts of water per day in combined drinking and cooking operations to
nwclve that teratogenlc dose.
i have calculated on this basts that it's possible that in Vietnam people have
iNfri given this kind of teratogenlc dose.
Congressman MCCABTKT. Doctor, let me ask you this. Here we have the Blonctlcs Research Laboratory test which showed that 2,4,5-T is teratogenic In
i,*t animals, mice and rats. Is it teratogenic in human beings—do we know?
Dr. GALSTOK. One doesn't know for sure whether ifs teratogenlc in human
IH-IMRH, one doesn't experiment with pregnant women, feeding some of them
•.•.4,5-T, and not feeding others. That would be inhuman, we do not tolerate
Hint kind of experimentation, but the paragraph I was about to read here in
fact deals with this.
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It says there are two ways that you can determine whether a chemical is
teratogenlc. "First, chemicals or other agents may be administered to experimental animals to determine whether they induce prenatal damage. Secondly,
and on a post hoc basis, human populations may be epldemiologlcaUy surveyed
to detect geographical, or temporal clusters of unusual types of frequencies of
congenital malformattes. Combinations of these approaches are likely to Insure
&lt;&gt;urly detection and identification of teratogenlc hazards."
Congressman MCOABTHT. Now, to your knowledge, has that been done In
Vietnam, or is it contemplated, is the American Association for the Advancement of Science going to do what you just read?
Dr. GAUTOK. I think it's shocking that there are absolutely no studies on
the possible teratogenldty of these chemicals either in Vietnam or in this
country. That is why it's so important to gather data from places like globe,
and from places like the Saigon area to attempt to correlate, if it's possible to
«lo so, the use of any particular pesticide with the appearance of any birth
abnormalities, or any physiological malfunctions.
Congressman MCGABTKT: Doesn't the commission's study recommend that no
herbicides like this be used until we are sure that It doesn't produce effects in
human beings?
Dr. GAUJTOIT. That's correct, the Commission recommends that given the suspicion that these materials are teratogenlc, given their widespread use, but
Riven also our wide dependency on these things la agriculture, we should
immediately restrict the use so that we only use these herbicides where It Is
absolutely necessary to do so, and where there is no possibility of contact with
human organisms. I believe that is the safe policy when you think you may be
doing harm. You stop until yon find out whether yon are in fact doing harm.
Congressman MOCAETHT. Do you have any information that you could give
for the record here, which would suggest why The White House ban never
went into effect? I have a letter here which I received Just prior to leaving
Washington, which needs further clarification. It is from Mr. Ned D. Bayley.
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response to a letter I'd addressed to Secretary Hardln, asking why The ..
House ban dl&lt;ta'l^;lnto effect Among other things, here's what he i
Wow, data subinltfcd to D.ttB.W., Department of Health, Education,
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Dr. GUuTw.'Dloxlnfarthe way It's usually referred to.
Congressman MoCU«THT. Ifs t^t-M-c-W-d-r-o-d-i-b-e-n-x-o p-a-r-* dl
Dr. GAMTOJT. Tetnichlorodlbenro par* dloxin.
Oongressmao HcCUxTHT. A highly toxic contaminant
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Congressman MoOAtOT. 1^ going to seek farther clarification that one|
the reasons the ban was lifted was this discovery. Now, do you know i
about this In the course of your Inquiry 7
Dr. GAtSTON. Yes, Congressman, L became aware of this new •
2,4^-T Is a chemical synthesized from the reactants that are put together
vehicle. Depending on the method of synthesis, and the temperature of
thesis, yon may or.may not get certain Impurities formed in that reaction
accompany the 2,4£-T which IS realized out of the reaction fixture. One of
Imparities Is tetrachlorodibenco-p-dloxtn.
Now, there's previous Information that this compound Is a highly
material There hare been several factory and laboratory accidents In
people exposed to this compound hare developed very severe blistering, loss &gt;
sensation, and respiratory troubles. The Germans hare had a similar
ence.
So it's natural when you have a report of this kind about the toxiclty
2,4,6-T, to Inquire whether the effect Is due to the chemical itself, or to
Impurity.
Congressman- MoCABTHT. Docs It matter?
Dr. GALSTOH. Fll make this statement
I think it does matter In the long run, Congressman, because if it's
Impurity, then in the future we can learn possibly how to -make the
without the Impurity, and continue its use.
Congressman MCCARTHY. I've read in the long article by Mr. Whlteside
the latest issue of New Yorker Magazine, at least he made the point that ;
can't make 2,4£-T without getting some dioxln.
Now, istnatjightt
•Dr. GAUVOX.' That's correct, I don't know If any sample that has less than-]
part per million of dioxln, so all of the 2,4,5-T that has been sprayed both "
home and abroad has some dioxln.
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Hie question is; Can yon lessen the dioxln level down to the point where*:
is no longer' soidangerousT
Congressman'. McCUxTHT. Is there any other way that dloxin can be
duced after Ifs sprayed T
Dr. GAUTOI?. Oh, yes, even If yon sprayed 2,4,5-T without any dloxin
might form chemicals in this Arizona sunshine; Putting all that light energy!
I could easily Imagine compounds like the dioxln being formed.
If there were * little fire somewhere, that's Just the condition which
form the dioxln from 2,4^5-T. The only hard data on the teratogeniclty •
2A5-T are right In this book that I have. There are no date which tell me, '
anybody else, that if s the dioxln and not the 2,4,5-T that's responsible
these teratogenic effects.
I've had telephone conversations with people who have alleged this,CongressmaniMoCutTHT. Who are theyf
Dr. GAMTOK. Well, one of them Is a member of this Commission,
Julius Johnson of Dow who Is an old friend of 'mine, and I think he is
terribly concerned about this development Naturally, he would be since
Is the manufacturer of some of Oils, and he told me that there are tests t
on now which are not finished. He said he would not care to quote the data i
of the present moment
Congressman MOCAKTHT. Mr. James Hansen of the Dow Chemical Co. visit
my oflSce last week and alluded to, I assume, the saine tests.
Dr. GALSIOK^ Yes.
Congressman MCCAXTKT. That the Dow Co. Itself was carrying out the
lowing-tip on this possibility that it is the dioxln.
Now, In this letter from Mr. Bayley he said new data submitted to D.H.BLT
relevant to this position indicates that the 2,4,5-T contained the dloxin.
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the Dow Chemical Co. could. In effect, by intervening, countermand, or negate
irhlte Houseiprders.
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this operation came about I would only say that to me It's unthinkable that,
in absence of bard data, and to protect the lives and welfare of people in the
*ountry, I don't see how this order could fall to be enforced.
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We must be safe before we are sorry. I would say let's get the facts before
we resume spraying with this 2,4,6-T and ad the present time there are no published data that I, or any other scientists hare seen, that would say that
«&gt;45-T is not the culpable agent I think; Ifs very peculiar that the orders of
Doctor DuBrldge are not being followed by. the Department of Agriculture and
the Department of Interior. The Department of Defense, said it announced
Immediately It would not follow this directive.;
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Congressman MCCARTHY. That's right The next day on October 80th, the
8iK&gt;kesman for the Department of Defense contradicted the DuBrldge order in
n verbal briefing to newsmen. He said that the 2,4,6-T would continue to be
*prayed in training and regroupment areas where obviously populated areas,
and of course as you know it has been sprayed in rubber plantations in Cambodla, which are also populated.
Well, Professor Colston, I appreciate very much your testimony here.
Dr. (JAtsroK. Do you mind if I make one more brief statement!
Congressman MCCARTHY. No, please do.
Dr. OALSTOK. As a biologist, I'm terribly concerned about this because I
believe in herbicides, I want to see that they continue to be used. I'm afraid
there may be overreactlon on the part of the public. I would like to say that
there are probably ways that we can safely use these compounds, and the first
recommendation of this Commission—I would like to read you Just two paragraphs, short ones, because they outline to me what would be a safe procedure.
It says: "A new interagency agreement is needed to strengthen cooperative
action among the Department of Health, Education and Welfare, U.S. Department of Agriculture, and the U.S. Department of Interior, to protect public
health, and the quality of environment from pesticides danger provided by the
Secretaries of H.B.W. and Interior, as well aa Agriculture, should be required
for all pesticides registration, pesticide .use determined by any of the three
Secretaries to be hazardous should be restricted, or eliminated.
"The agreement should further require the continuous review of new scientific information on pesticides now in use with the formal reviews made 2
years after initial registration, and subsequent formal reviews by the three
agencies at 6-year intervals."
That seems to be loudly, essential for the continued safe use of pesticide*
and it's coupled with the establishment of a national testing center for pesticides, which Is also recommended, I would soy that we would be well on our
way for the safe use of pesticides.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Do you think it's proper to delegate to the manufacturer of such a chemical the responsibility for testing its teratogenicity and
carclnogentcttyT
Dr. GALSTOW. Well, you can certainly accept the data that are contributed by
the manufacturer as relevant to the solution of the problem. I think these
people have shown necessary testing laboratories which give honest data, but I
would not depend on those alone. I would want to see the FDA or some other
agency independently test these same compounds also, under completely different conditions. That's only a scientific rule, you don't believe anything anybody
tells you, it has to be confirmed once or twice before you can believe it
I would certainly hope the FDA, or some other agency, HEW would continue conducting further tests on these toxic chemicals.
Congressman MCCARTHY. And not really solely on the research of Dow, or
other manufacturers?
Dr. GAUBTOK. That's correct
Congressman MCCARTHY. Professor, I wonder if you would be kind enough
to sit with us here, I'd Uke to use you as a resource person when we have the
other witnesses.
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Is he In the room?
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If you would be seated and identify yourself for the record, and your?
reeponslbUltles In areas under scrutiny here.
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Mr. Pnaoyicnv Yes, sir, I'm John Plerovlch, Assistant Regional Forester in!
Albuquerque, N. Mex. My responsibilities related to this matter are In connec^
tton with the complaints we've received here at Globe, and the overall evalua-f
tlon of our Chaparral program, and our Chaparral program guidelines.
The primary reasons the Forest Service is here today Is because this Is ac
Forest Service project I think that we need to be cognizant of such hearings 4
as this, and we do try to keep Informed through the literature of regulatory?
rules and concerns.
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with their environment, we wouldn't want to do anything that would jeopard^
Ice their safety.
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They're our neighbors, we also live here.
At the same time, we've been asked repeatedly to announce that we would!
not spray again in the Globe area, and like Doctor Galston, I think that we]
wouldn't want to overreact at this time. So we've said that such an announces
ment would be premature, we have our own studies going forward, and that*
these studies must be resolved before we can reach decisions on '
use, or on the Chaparral program.
In addition to that we believe that It would be also unwise to base decisions!
on herbicides used particularly from the current allegations, or suspicions herej
in this area.
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These matters need to be studied deeply, and we hope to have them studied?
deeply, and frankly welcome this Inquiry because it will help to daylight i
of the areas of concern.
That's essentially our position, Mr. Congressman. I'd be glad to answer any*
questions you might have.
Congressman McOAMHT. Thank you very much.
In the course of my study, I have come Into possession of documents
have been exchanged between the Department of Agriculture and citizens ln*:
the aria. Here is one from John A. Williams for the Task Group, U.S. Depart*
ment of Agriculture, Forest Service. Are yon familiar with Mr. Williams?
Mr. PJEROVIOH. Yes, I am.
Congressman McGAmnrr. Is he an associate of yours?
Mr. PjEaovxcB. He works In our regional office.
Congressman McCArnrr. Is he here today?
Mr. PICKWICK. No, he's not
Congressman MCCARTHY; I'd like to read you some of the things that
«ays: "Pan). Boffin (phonetic) called a Dow Chemical representative at Davtsgi
CfcUf., andr requested Information about Silver. This man called Supervisor^
Courtney later and Indicated that a publicity release was being prepared for j
submission to the news media concerning the known toxtclty of Silver. This ""
accepted and used by the news media will go a long ways towards Improv'
the situation, and dispelling the fear of Silver as a highly toxic, or
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He then fcoes on to say In his conclusions, "We are fully convinced that
many of'the people In this area honestly believe they were being subjected to'
a highly toxic and extremely poisonous compound with a high degree of per-J
sistence and one which would Increase in concentration In the water snpj"
and In the bodies of humans, and animals. These Ideas are not In any
supported by-research findings."
Now, thafto dated July 22,1909, and If I Just would ask Professor Galstonl
when was the Blonetlcs study brought to light?
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Dr. GUSTO*. It was handed over to the Department of Health, Education^
and Welfare ;tn December of 1908, to the best of our knowledge.
Congressman McCUmHT. So that to the best of your knowledge, the Depar
ment of Agriculture
Dr. GALSTOH. -Might have had access to that Information.
Congressman IMoCAKTHY. Aft"^"*, the tests were'run In 1907. Now, Mr. Wil-|
tbms obviously either did not know about the Btonettcs report, and I wonir
T wonld accept that, I dont think he did Just from the tone of the letter,
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jlr. PIEBOVIOH. First of all, Mr. Williams was heading a group tor a general!
turvey.of the effects here in the Globe area at the request of the Forest
Supervisor, and after the initial complaints. We're had subsequent studies go
forward, one of these coming out as a second task force report which is somewhat more In depth. Mr. Williams' information was then of a general nature
for a» initial report for the forest supervisors. Williams himself is not an herbicide man. Mr. Boffin is, and his reason for talking with the Dow was to get
more information.
The second question you've asked regarding the Bionetlcs study was not
known to these people, and only known to a few people within the Forest
Service but the word of mouth communication that took place following the
review of the Bionetlcs study for publication.
This bos precipitated a lot of discussion among the 'science community, and
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Congressman MCCAXTBT. Are you alluding to the Whiteside article in New.
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found it very informative.
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Congressman MCOAKTHY. When did you first learn about the Bionetlcs find*
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Mr. PIEBOVIOH. I personally learned about it in November when I was
assigned to this problem area, and I learned about it through reading in the
literature, seeing the discussions among others.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Was the present science advisors ordered ban ever
transmitted to yon, or here in the area?
Mr. PIEBOVIOH. We were furnished a policy statement from the Secretary of
Agriculture in December which referred to the DuBridge statement
Congressman McCAWHT. Did you take that as a directive not to continue
using 2,4,5-T?
Mr. PIEBOVICH. We understood it to be directed towards crops, and that it
was not at that time being restricted in range-land use. However, we could
infer from this, and from discussions with our Washington counterparts, we
learned that there were other studies underway on this compound, and as you
perhaps have noted, we did defer our chaparral program in October. The last
spraying on this project was in June, and these events have unfolded since
that time.
It's currently our position here in this region not to use herbicides until
some of these matters are researched. The studies that are underway should
be most helpful to us in this regard.
Congressman MCCAKTBT. I think there's a little confusion about just what
the DuBridge announcement banned. Doctor DuBridge said—this is October 29,
1960.
That 2,4,5-T would be prohibited for use on American agricultural products
after January 1, 1970, until the Food and Drug Administration could develop
information showing that it could be used with safety.
Dr. DuBridge also announced that the use of 2,4,5-T in Vietnam would be
restricted in areas remote from population.
Mr. PIEBOVIOH. This is where we found our references to the crop production
area, and the Secretary has interpreted this way. As I said the ban on crops
is in effect at this time, and as near as we can tell we are also examining the
future of the 2,4,5-T as It is compounded today.
Dr. GALSTOIT. Congressman, could I make a comment here)
Congressman MCCAKTHT. Tea,
Dr. GALSTOK. I was unable to understand why when Dr. DuBridge issued
this statement he did not also take care to specify prohibition of use in
regions where 2,4,5-T might find Its way into drinking water. For example,
supposing you are using 2,4,5-T to clear shrubs from under a power line, and
that power line is going through a town where people have wells, and they
draw water from these wells. Don't we need to know if the 2,4,5-T is going to
seep down in the water cable and get to these people? It seems to me applying
the ban to the food crops is only a halfway measure.
Mr. PIEBOVIOH, I think we need to be concerned by this, and this Is why we
monitor water from treatment areas. It's significant in this Globe area. Our
reference—or the Federal water quality control criterion of one-tenth part per
million, this level has never been reached in any of the water analyzed that
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Congressman MCCARTHY. You say yon received the directive November
Mr, PnaovioH. We received the Secretary's explanatory Information?
December as I recall.
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Congressman MCCARTHY. So the last you had was the DuBrldge directive?,]
Mr. PnsoviCH. Yes, and a statement from our Secretary to agriculture at
ties of which we are, telling us that 2,4,5-T was not to be used in crops,"!
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Now, this is all developments since the last spraying here at Globe, I
this Is clear.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Are yon spraying in other parts of sour region?.
Mr. PmovicH. No, sir, and we have no plans to spray during current, •
coming fiscal year at this time.
Now, if we have some break-throughs, I'm sure we will be talking
this. Again, it would be premature to say.
Congressman MCCARTHY. What's the basic rationale behind the spraying j
at Globe?
Mr. PHSOVIOH. Yon mean
Congressman MCCARTHY : What*s the purpose of it?
Mr. PnaonoH (continuing): The purpose of the project This Is the
the region, and the Tohto National Forest chaparral management
This program has many objectives for—if I may take a minute—fire is a,j
common ingredient in the life history of chaparral, and in trying to ' „
management to Chaparral Forest, we have excluded fire, or we are using,]
by prescription, rather than have the chance of holocaust In doing
attempt to bring a break to the fuels in large continuous masses by tleve
• grassy ridge tops, or grassy openings. These have other advantages for
who want to use the forest, and for game.
It happens that the project here in the area was a water-yield project*
have learned through research at the 8-Bar experimental area, and par
larly that we can substantially reach the flow of streams, particularly
winter months (where the vegetation is not using the amounts of water*
chaparral vegetation does.
Now, herbicides were used here at Globe partially because of the
flooding potential 6f these streams, and that they also know that fire ore.
large area could cause floods. So rather than use prescribed fire as
treatment, herbicides were used.
We have plans ty use some small amount of fire to continue our work
Congressman MCCARTHY. Doesn't it say right on the container that
should not be used over water?
Mr. PIEBOVICH. That's correct; and as the project instructions were
here, the applicator pilot was to interrupt his spray everytime he pas
major stream chanrfeL
Congressman MCCARTHY. "Interrupt his spray." yon mean from a '
Mr. PIEROVIOB. From his helicopter, yes.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Do you think that is that the answer?
Mr. PxntovioH. Well, I think it's quite practical, sir.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Well, wind might carry. Aren't there
under the circumstances in which yon use it?
Mr. PIEHOVXOK. First, let me explain in spraying this area the primary.;
tern would be along, or parallel, or to a water course so that it isn't ne
to turn valves off as you may each time he crosses at the creek, but he-!
going to be crossing streams at the same time he has been spraying,
would be than Instructed to interrupt the spray before making such a &lt;
Some drift did occur into the bayous, we have found some of the Syc
the Kellner area, the tops have been hit We dont feel that
amount of herbicide jcame to the water course, and the pilot was
not to apply this over water.
Water residues again havent indicated any great amount of the
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Congressman MCCARTHY. Are they Instructed only to spray when the wind Is
..lowing at a certain mile per hour?
Mr. PIBKOVIOH. Yes, that's right
Congressman MCCARTHY. What is It, eight?
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Mr. PIEROVIOH. In some projects It's 6-mlles per hour, In this case it was 10.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Ten?
Air. PIEROVIOH. Yes.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Is that rigidly adhered to?
Mr. PncROVioH. Well, I would hope that It is, here we are depending on other
iieople to do our work, but we have a project area officer, and this project had
it project area officer who works from the helispot where the copter is operating using a pocket anemometer, and as he noticed the wind picking up he
would take the pocket anemometer out and keep track of the gusts. Whenever
it cpitroaches 10-mlles per hour, the project would be shut down.
1 have records here with me of the shutdown on this project, if you are
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Congressman MCCARTHY. You are undoubtedly aware that some of the residents In the area charge that spraying went on in much stronger wind veloclMr. PIEKOVICH. Yes, sir, I am, and I am aware that there has been drifts,
mid we are attempting to Identify how far this drift went In the task force 2
report, we identified a visual effects drift line, we are currently working on
infrared interpretation, and I would be very happy to furnish you with a map
which delineates how far the dead vegetation that shows up. That's not availulile to see by the naked eye.
Congressman MCCARTHY. That would be very good to fill out the record. I
would like to have that documentation very much.
Dr. GALSTON. Do you mind If I ask a question at this point?
As a scientist, I'm interested In following up one line of questioning here.
The benefits that one wishes to derive from this program has to do with
increased water flow?
.Mr. PIKBOVICH. In part
Dr. GALSTON. And the other part is, I presume, to have a more accessible
nud manageable terrain where the Chaparral vegetation Is?
Mr. PIEROVIOH. That's a good generalization among other things. We would
like the esthetic qualities of the area to be an indication.
Dr. GALSTON. Do you see any deleterious consequences of partial denudation
of the hillsides where Chaparral is growing?
Mr. PIEROVIOH. It's not our intent to denude the hillside.
Dr. GALSTOW. I said partial
Mr. PIEROVIOH. In the course of making a conversion, one often has to take a
compromise, and we do compromise to the extent'that we will—say for example, in burning—taking out an area, we will burn only so long a slope here
because any more we would have an overflow of plants and water, and erosion
while it Is bare from burning, it Is an opportunity for a torrential thunderstorm, or wind to cause erosion. But this is also one of the compromises that a
fanner must make when he plows his field.
Dr. GALBTON. And this Is something you think you can keep under pretty
Rood control with applied herbicides?
Mr. PIEROVICH. In this case we used herbicides for that reason, yes.
Dr. GALSTON. Was there any measurement for the relevant erosion rates
hefore and after herbicide use in a given area?
Mr. PIEROVIOH. In the 8-Bar area this is being noted at this time The studICK have been in progress for some time, I don't have those data with me, but
I wuld find them for you.
Dr. GALSTON. I, personally, would be very interested in having those data.
It'x been my impression that some programs have been gone into fairly massively without the comfortable feeling that there's a lot of scientific data
Milud the original studies to tell us that this is really what we ought to do,
nnd in calculating returns per acre, In terms of where we've applied, I think
we have to have a negative quantity in there for possibly deleterious effects,
tliat possibly are not measured.
Congressman MCCARTHY. I'd be eager to see those.
Mr. PIEROVIOH. I'd be happy to furnish them for you. I think something we
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w* are looking at alternatives, and tolerable levels, and we are
that very thine using projects that nave been Installed as a basis for arrW
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giving licenses for the use of Kurpn?
Mr. PIEBOVICH. We give no licenses tor chemical uses. The answer would]
no.
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Congressman MCCARTHY I see. From whom do they get these licenses?
Mr. PnaumcH. The use of chemicals Is done by—in our case, the i
a project proposal by a regional and national pesticide committee.
forest officer who has a project wants to apply a herbicide he . .
formal proposal. It's submitted to our regional committee, if they approve,
national committee. And III tell you right at this point, our committee
approve such a use, but we don't license.
Congressman MCGAMHY. Well, thank you very. much.
Will you be available today and tomorrow?
Mr. PnaovxoB. Yes, sir, I will, as will the ranger and the acting
here.
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Congressman MCCARTHY, Thank you very much.
Our next witness Is Dr. F. I. Skinner, veterinarian from Globe.
Is Dr. Skinner here?
Dr. Skinner, I'm pleased to have a veterinarian testify In light of
Indications that the use of 2,4,5-T spray may have had harmful effe
animal fetuses. I wonder If you would, for the record, identify yourself,
background and experience.
Dr. SKINNER, I am Dr. Skinner, local veterinarian, I've been in the
years, graduate of Kansas State University with a degree of T.B.M..
Now, these are my people, and I've lived amongst them. Now, any qu
you'd like to ask 111 try to answer.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Would you recommend the use of this
Karon spray after tests have shown that Is has teratogenic effects on i
Dr. SKINNER, No, I wouldn't recommend it without further study,
research.
Congressman MCGAKTKT. Ton think it should be stopped untilDr. SKAHEB. Tea, sir.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Ton have some question about the Blonetlcs
ings of the effects of this on animals?
Dr. SKINNER. I'm a clinician, I'm not research. I have not seen any
of animals in this area—definitely, clinically. Now, as I say I'm
research, I'm a clinician. I dont set myself up to be an expert on it, but
not seen any abortions, malformations of fetuses in this area that I can
cally say iW was caused by Silver, or 2,4-D, or pesticides.
Congressman MCCARTHY. As I understand It, and we hope to hear _
others, that {here have been allegations made that the 2,4,5-T sprayed
cause malformation in animals.
Dr. SKINNER. I cannot speak for those, I have not seen them myself.
Congressman MCCARTHY. You did not Were you ever asked to examine
animals In question?
Dr. SKINNEK No, sir.
Congressman MCCARTHY. You were notDr. SKINNER. No, sir.
Congressman MCCARTHY. So that you Just don't know?
Dr. SKINNER. I dont know, I dont pretend to know.
Congressman MCCARTHY. All right Well, maybe they will be calling on
Dr. SKINNER. I hope so.
Congressman MOCAXXKT. Well, thank yon very much, Doctor Skinner.
Dr. SKINNER. Thank you, Congressman McCarthy.
Congressman MCCAKTBT. Our next witness we'd like to call to Mr.
McKnsiak.
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Mr. McKusiak?
Mr. Sxour. Sir, I represent Mr. McKusiak as an attorney, and
requested that he be called later. Can you pass him at this time? He
pass at Hit^frfaiMtfidiate tim.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Surely.
In that event we'd like to call Mrs. Bfflee Shoecraft
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. . SHOECRAR. Billce Sboecraft, Ice House Canyon, Globe, Arte.
riincressman MCOARTHT. And if you would tell us a little bit about how long
v* lived here, and your own experience with the chaparral spray program}
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vSiiicrcssman MCCAKTHT. I wonder If you could tell us about your experl^ with the spray program, and some of the correspondence you're had
""IfiTHiP various agencies of government in this connection.
«rs7SHOECRAR. I'd be glad to, thank you.
\V« first became aware that they were going to spray a chemical, which they
„ J^ted was harmless
^ngressman MCOAKTHT. You say, "they"
Mrs. SHOECRAR. The Forest Service.
Congressman MCOABTBY. U.S. Forest Service?
ura. SHOECRAR. Right, in 1065. They had published in the local paper a
m.ws item dated August the 19th, 1905, in which they said the herbicide will
L. 2 4-D. and 2,4,6-T mixed with dlesel oil, and water. The dlesel oil will serve
m&gt; a weight factor to Insure against wind drift Neither 2,4-D or 2,4,5-T is
liiirmful to birds, insects, fish, wildlife, or humans.
Congressman MCGAKTHT. Do you have a date and name on that?
What was the publication, what newspaper is it?
Mrs. SHOECKAFT. From the Arizona Record.
Congressman MCOAKTHT: Of what date?
Mrs. SHOECRAR. Of August the 19th, 1965.
1 also bare the typed-up version when he initiated at that time from which
he deleted the word. "I anticipate honest Inquiry from many individuals and
croups concerning the project I also anticipate.adverse criticism and harassment from those who devote their lives to criticizing and harassing."
I forgot to read the part where be Invited the general public to come and
wo them spray.
If you are as curious as I am, you will want to drive up and watch the
..^ration. I hope you will.
Again, I read from the report No. 10, Georgia Forest Research Counsel,
Macon, Ga., 1985. On page 28 it says, "Possible harmful effects: 2,4-D and
a,4,5-T have a low toxlclty, although spray applications leave no toxic residue,
n tolerance of five parts per million has been established on or in apples,
«-ltrus fruits, asparagus, pears, and quinces. We can find nothing in the
Department of Agriculture to back this up."
Then, they further said, "Since some persons may be allergic to the oil in
the herbicide mixture, skin contact should be avoided, and when treatments
nrc used a respirator is also a desirable piece of safety equipment
Congressman MCOAKTHT. Who is saying this?
Mrs. SHOECRAR. This to from the Southwestern Forest Experiment Station,
Forest Service, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Asheville, N.O.
Congressman MCOAKTHT. And the day on that, please?
Mrs. SHOECRAR. The date on this was 19651 It further says—after mentioning the respirator, the odor, or vapors may bring on a case of nausea. The
Forest Service Health and Safety cautioned that 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T are mildly
iwisonous, and flammable in an oil base. However, we were invited to come
mid see the spray.
Congressman MCOAXTHT. Do yon have any more documents that cast some
Mrs. SHOECKAR. Oh, I've many.
I have here this little item that was given to us, there were a few missing
pages, it only had four, so I got in touch with Dr. Holston (phonetic) at
Itelleville, Md., because this to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and I wondered where the rest of the pages were. So Dr. Holston from Belleville mailed
me a package in which was included the rest of it, it totaled 25 pages, and
this concerning the toxidty of some organic herbicide to cattle, sheep, and
chickens. It tells about some of the things that they found in relation to the
herbicides that we've been sprayed with. We don't know exactly because the
reports have varied, but they have said they used 2,4-D, 2,4,5-T, and Silvex.
They further said it one form, then the tests showed different forms. I quote:
"We concluded—that the enlargements were caused by the chemical reaction of
the diluted herbicide formulation. The ecropsy—the liver was enlarged and
viable. The kidneys were congested. A small abcess was found in the parotid
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chemical reaction, g Associated other lymph nodes of the body were
enlarged and hemologic."
Congressman MCCARTHY. Mrs. Shoecraft, I wonder if just for the
might just interrupt you briefly. I would like to ask Professor Oalston
would explain the difference between Silver Knron, 2,4,5-T, and 2,4-D j«
the record. :
Dr. GAIBTOIC. These are very closely related materials, and I think
toxicology point of view, and from the points of view—the presence of
these Impurities like the dloxln we wen talking about, they would all
the same bag. .
2,4-D is 2,4-dlchlorophenoxyacetlc add, 2,4,5-T has one more, that is
trtchlorophenoxyacettc add, and Knron Is simply a trade name for a "
preparation that I believe Is a Dow product
Is that correct, I don't whether the foresters here would
Mr. Pnaovtoa. Tea, thaf s correct
Congressman MCCARTHY. Is there anything significantly different
2,4,5-T and Silver?
Dr. OALSTOW. I would say none whatsoever from the point of view
talking about The toxictty .would not be due to the length of the
due to thefiuorlnatedaromatic nucleus, as a chemist would call it
Congressman MOCAMKY. Mrs. Shoecraft, I realize you have many
meats, and we would like if we could to have any of these you would
submit for the record.
Mrs. SHOCCRAR. I'd be giad to.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Would you, this would help very much.
Mrs. SHOCORAIT. Yes.
Congressman MOCAMHY. However, now, if there are any particularly
quotations that—without being overly lengthy, you think should go
record at this point, we would like to have those.
Mrs. SHOBOEAVT. May I submit Farmers Bulletin Number 2158, U.S.
ment of Agriculture, issued April 1961, slightly revised, August 1969,
to what their rules are on what the wind velocity should be.
Congressman MCCARTHY. What does that say?
Mrs. SKOHCRAVT. It says, "Apply the spray when the wind velocity is
than 6 miles per hour, and the air temperature is 90* or less. Again
coarse spray-:—?
They did not use a coarse spray, they used a fine spray. "Use a
vaporizing formulation."
They did not use a slowing vaporizing formulation, they substituted
for oil In a very small amount and released it at very high altitudes on a'
hot and windyjday, and they kept no records—weather records on the job. '
Congressman MCCARTHY. Can you substantiate those points?
Mrs. SHOBCKAM; Yes, I can.
Congressman ifcOAETHY. How)
Mrs. SKOKCXAJTC. I'm reading from file No. 2520, and it states In this.
hand corner to the file, it's from William H. Moehn, district ranger.
Congressman MCCARTHY, How do you spell that)
. Mrs. SHOWfcAMt M-c-e-lMi, district ranger, date July 11,1969, subject: w|
shed protection, Kellner Russell chemical maintenance, fiscal year 1969.
This memo Is a resume of the fiscal year 1969, maintenace project
The spraying done on June 8, 9,10, and 11,1969, were started at 6:404
on Sunday, June 18, and .the hilltop located on the Icehouse Canyon Tri"
6:51 a.m. after the third load was through, the pilot flew to the O.C.C. .
to check his spray. When he landed Mrs. Shoecraft arrived and told him L
of the spray bad landed on her. The pilot returned at the hill at 7:14 a.m,!
said someone should go talk to her.
"I left the spray job at that time and did not locate Mrs. Shoecraft"
In fact, I culled. Washington on the third day, but they didn't find
they could hare Ml, they had looked.
"I left the spray job and we continued to spray from the hellspot
10:5T a.m. when we landed at the hellspot the wind was coming out
East from 6:4q aan. to 10 :ST ajn, we left and went to the Final Boad :
and began to spray. iWe continued to spray until 16.05 a.m., at which
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.03 P.IU. when the wind dropped below 10 mile* per hour and continued on
un »n" 7*35 inn.
..!;., juiy 0, the first load was off the ground at 5:35 p-m. We continued to
JrJ until 10:18 p.m.t at which time we ihut down because of winds in excess
T?n miles per hour. We did not spray anymore on the 8th.
••iv« started at 6:02 a-m. on June 10, 8 days after Mrs. Shoecraft had notl*~t and flew until 11:15 a.m., when wind forced us to chut down. We did not
«S/ anymore on the 10th.
-On June 11. we started at 5:18 a.m., and flew until the project was comutoted. A total of 077 gallons of Sllvex was used at a rate of 2 pounds acid,
Ittiilvalent per acre. The total rate per acre was 8 gallons. 1,900 acres were
treated. We did not keep weather records on this project
••The wind speed and direction at the Globe Banger Station at 1 p-m., each
day of the spray lob are listed on the next pages, and it shows on June 11, a
m&gt;ced of 16 miles, per hour southwest
^Signed and stamped by William H. Moehn."
roucressman MCCARTHY. So that even in his own records he acknowledges
that he exceeded the limits that had been set?
Mrs. SHOECRAIT. Yes, he did. I refer further to the Department of the
Army's Circular 83061. I hare a letter here from Representative Stelger's
office, to apply back In 120 days, but I didn't choose to apply in 120 days. I
culled the Adjutant General's office, I said we needed it now, I'm one of the
. victims. I was Informed by the Department Office that they sent it out to the
printer's. My suggestion was you either get it from the printer's, or you get a
c«pv, I need it now. I received it in 3 days.
lii this it refers to the formulation which they call. Orange, and it says that
It Is one part 2,4,6-T, and one part 2,4-D. I have before me a letter dated OctoIKT 6,1009, from the USDA, in Phoenix. The branch of the Forest Service, the
Tonto National Forest Service, signed by Mr. Jenkins for Mr. B. B. Cortney,
Forest Service. He says:
Dear Mrs. Shoecraft, following is a list of chemicals purchased by the Tonto
Purest as requested by you. The mixture was two gallons chemical with seven
and one-half gallons per acre. In a few cases more water was used, and all of
them are 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T.
Since I was curious because there was no Silver, I further proceeded to say
who bought the Silver, and I was finally informed by Mr. Moore at Salt Blver
Project they made the decision to purchase the Silver. They did not purchase
it us they said In the Forest Service. They have lied, it's the only word I'd
like to use because It's lying when it covers things when they know better.
Congressman MCCARTHY. I wonder if you could submit those documents to
Mr. Rlddleberger for our records?
Mrs. SHOECRAFT. All right
Congressman MCCARTHY. And if you are available we hope to go out this
afternoon and tour the area.
Mrs. SHOECRAFT. Be pleased to.
Congressman MCCARTHY; Thank yon very much.
We would like to move on now and bear from Mr. McKusiak.
Mrs. SHOBORAFT. -I bad requested analysis that were done on our plant back
in September before another task force is to arrive, which I understand is
next week. I've spoken with Mr. Tschirley this morning, he called, I told him
hefore I wanted anymore samples taken I would like the reports of what they
took in September. They seem to be still evaluating these water samples we
wnt in, and for your information I Just learned this morning the samples
taken from our .own drinking water last week are still highly contaminated,
nnd I suppose I'm the first human to go on record to be able to say that they
have now found 2,4-D in my pound of flesh, and that was as of this morning
from two different laboratories.
Congressman MCCARTHY. That's important, could you elaborate on that? Do
you have those laboratory findings?
Mrs. SHOECRAFT. These were found in the G.H.T. Laboratories in California,
the other laboratory I'm not even aware of the name where the samples were
sent
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Congressman MCCARTHY. What's that, G. H.
Mrs. SHOECRAFT. That's the laboratory where the Department of Agriculture,
TXictor Hemton (phonetic) had recommended that the samples be sent on the
plant life originally. There will be a longer report on it this afternoon.
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Congressman McCABTHT. We will check that out Did you mean
that a biopsy has been applied on your tissues, and 2,4-D has been
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Mrs. SBOEOUUTT. As of this morning they were not complete.
Congressman McCAWTHT. Thank you rery much.
We'd like to call Mr. McKustak now.
Mr McKnslak, do you care to be accompanied by counsel? If you
perfectly all right
Mr. SKOUF. We hnvo no objection.
Congressman MCT.XUTHT. All right Mr. McKuslak, I wonder would y
tlfy yourself for the record, please, your name and your background, long you've resided here.
Mr. McKusuK. I'm Robert McKnslak, and !'T« been an Artist In
mosaic for some 22 years. I bare a background prior to that time,
that time also in science. I majored in chemistry in college.
Congressman MOOABTBY. What was that?
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Mr. McKusiAK. University of Arizona, I do not hold a degree.
Congressman MCCARTHY. How long have you resided here?
Mr. McKusiAX. I've lived In this area since 1932 with the exception!
time that I attended the University of Arizona.
Congressman McCAmrr. Now, I wonder if you would verbally give us
erallzatlon of your experience with the Forest Service spray program?
Mr. McKusiAK. My experience with the Forest Service spray progi
didn't come into being fully until 1980 following the June spraying.
me back up, it came into being in about May 81, 1968. I was aware
that time that they had been spraying, but I was not aware that thet
that they were spraying were particularly harmful. I had seen unusual.;
taking place, but I didn't know what to attribute them to.
Congressman McCAKnrr. What unusual effects, could you cite a couple?
Mr. UcKvaiAXf Yes, one in particular which I would prefer
McKnslak documented for yon because that's her field, and not mint
dfically in 1986, in May of 1966, the brown pewee population, these
that Uve in our canyon area, suddenly started dying in great numbers
yard. We have a waterer that birds come to, and there were birds
during May which had matter in their eyes, and seemed to be having
tory trouble, and were dying; and at that time we continued spraying it
Congressman MoCUxnrr. Yon. dont happen to have any photographs
do you?
Mr. McKusuK.'-No, I dont, I would prefer on a discussion of birds
Mrs. McKustafc go into this because that was her field. But, In 1968,
81st of May, I'was up at my property where I get my clay, it's private
the area that was sprayed, it was included in the area sprayed. I had my]
and three children, and the two dogs up there, and the spraying
place down canyon. The helicopter came up the canyon, we have a
that was between us and the edge of the property, so to speak, and
copter came up the canyon and made a turn southerly, in other words,
a right-angle turn.toward the mountains, and it approached. We were
our arms because,we didn't want to be sprayed. He made a turn and
so dose to us, and the spray descended upon us, and upon the pond,1
our kids and dogs, and so forth. At that time we weren't really a
anything was wrong with it except we both rushed home, my wife i
both had headches, from It
Congressman MoOurrar. The pond, is that drinking water?
Mr. McKuvuK. This is a pond which is used for livestock water,
private land.
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Congressman MoCUwHT. Now, you heard undoubtedly the Forest
that they stopped spraying when they would get over a stream, but
over a pond. I suppose that would be obviously important?
Mr. MoKvsux. ;Ifs Incorrect that they stopped over streams, they
directly over three different semipermanent streams that I know of,
permanent
Congressman MoCUcrKT. Did you we that yourself?
Mr. MoKusubc. I saw them spraying la this area over it, and the tion continues right down to the edge of the stream, it's quite visible.'
Congressman MoCUnsr. Will we be able to see that this afternoon?
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MCCARTHY. I think it's very Important
I J S . One canyon in particular in 1968 when I was sprayed with
ur on our property, and we did bare illnesses and bare had illnesses
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ii"'?'!!.. toward us—which has a permanent stream in it, ana tney flew rignt
""""••y..'.urd us-whlcU
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'^livestock, and other animal life on your farm, which you would
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don't have a farm to correct the record, I have
/•I- different animals, my wife keeps ornamental fowl, she is an archeoorni"i i clKt and she w,orks with archedlogical birds, and she keeps flies of var' .1 t viva for comparative work, and also for our own enjoyment
" \\V have 10 or 12 milking goats that we have had for 16, or '17 years. We've
ni a xmiill population of them, and in the last 2 years we have bad a
iinlMT of our milk goats bear kids, they have from two to three offspring a
' ur eiicli goat, and a number of these have borne deformed offspring. When I
''!«• informed, I'm referring generally to their beads, their beads were born
miil.«luil&gt;ed, and malformed In some cases their bodies, but generally their
'" \\V liare one goat which Is already been covered by the news media, but we
i,,ivi&gt; One gont which wasn't as malformed as the others. We have kept it alive
slini'l.v because people were denying such things happening. I would say most
.,( i In- offspring that were born were born either dead, or deformed, or both.
Must of them who were born deformed were born dead. In other words, the
..nliiinl miscarried deformed offspring.
Congressman MCCABTHT. Did you ever ask Dr. Skinner to come out and look
ni Hit-so animals?
.Mr. McKusiAK. No, I don't believe I've ever discussed these animals with
l ir. Skinner until just recently, but Dr. Skinner and I are good friends, and
«v liiivo from time to time called him to ask how much dosage to give an
uiiiiiiiil if we were going to give them a shot Some of our animals from time
to lime have suffered from pneumonia, or things of this type. For example,
ninny of our fowl In birth have died. I'm referring specifically to geese, and
•lurkx. and some chickens, and many of them have died, and we found by
riving them a shot of com-blotlc, it's a penecillin streptomycin, I believe, comiilnutlon, by giving them a shot, usually we could save them. These fowl would
&lt;itim&gt; down with what seemed to be pneumonia. There are many other people
in the canyon whose fowl done the same thing.
\Vc found by giving them a shot we could save them. We called Dr. Skinner
to find out what the correct dosage would be, and we generally didn't call
tack telling him it came out
Congressman MCCARTHY. Well, Mr. McfCusiak, I know we could go on for
Mime time, but we have to adjourn shortly, but we will be with you this afternoon.
.Mr. McKusiAK. I would like to make one other comment, if I could, for the
iwml.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Surely.
Mr. McKtrsiAK. I was talking about 1068 when we were sprayed on our own
iiroiwrty, and our own dogs following this spraying, we went home and
wanned, but our own dogs that were with us, two of them became ill immediately with what we considered to be pneumonia, at that time we didn't assoHute it really with the spray, we didn't think about it, and we gave the dogs
-we tried to call Dr. Skinner and he was out of town, and we gave the dogs
••om-Motics for this, and I believe it was the next day we called Dr. Skinner,
i»- was back, and my wife checked with him and she checked the dosage she
inul given them; and he said it was twice too much, and give them half as
much again, and we did, and the dog survived. It would have died if we had
»ot given him the medication. .
Congressman MCCARTHY. You still have the two dogs?
Mr. MoKusiAK. Neither are malformed or anything, one of them has never
iiwn quite well, it's never been welL It wheezes a lot
One other thing, there are many families in the canyon and many families
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We have dogs of this type, and people who have had dogs die from
could put you In contact with.
Congressman MOOAKTHT. We would like to have that information.
Well, thank you, Mr. McKuslalo Well look forward to seeing you this i
noon.
This hearing will stand adjourned.
Congressman MCCARTHY. The hearings will come to order.
I've just received the following letter from the White House which I
read into the record at this point If s from the Science Adviser to the
dent of the United States, Dr. Lee A. DuBridge.
The White House. February 10,1970.
"Dear Mr. McCarthy: This will acknowledge your February 3rd
cerulng 2,4,5-T, the October 29th announcement that you referred to
statement of the actions that were planned to be taken by. the various '
the Federal Government in relation to the 2,4,5-T. It.wars not a
agencies for the simple reason that statutory responsibility for these
rest In the separate agencies.
"I'm sure that by now you have heard from the Department of Agrlcultj
I appreciate your views on the desirability of an investigation of rep
birth, of malformed children in Vietnam. By copy of this letter I'm
your views to Secretary Laird's attention since this area is primarll;
responsibility.
"As to 2,4-D, this compound Is being reviewed along with other
being singled out as requiring additional study in the Blonetlcs
which you referred."
Signed, "Lee a DuBridge, Science Adviser to the President"
I'd like to contrast this with a statement as it was issued on
where DuBridge said that the Defense Department will restrict use of
to the areas remote from population, that the Agriculture Departmentcancel registration of 2,4-D for food crops effective January 1, 1970.
Department of Agriculture and Interior will stop using 2,4,5-T In their 4
pro-Trams in. populated areas, or where the residues from use could other '
reach man. That the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare will &lt;
plete action 'on a tolerance for 2,4,5-T, the residues on foods prior to Jan
1,1970.
This is obviously a retreat from the position taken by the White Ho
October 29. As I read the statement at that time it was in the form of a •
tive that the Departments will do such and such, now we find that the
House is backing off from this, and is saying that the statutory authority
with the agenda*.
It seems to: me that the President of the United States has authorityultimate authority over theoe agencies, and I regret very much that the
dent's Science Adviser ha* seen fit to retreat from the decision of October*/
which I believe was the wise one. The use of this particular chemical
be banned pending tests.
On the plus side I'm delighted to be informed last night, and it's
today in. the press; that the distinguished Senator from Michigan, Philip
has announced: he will hold hearings on 2,4,5-T. He asked Secretary Har
Secretary of Agriculture, Robert Finch, Secretary of Health, Education, _
Welfare, and Dufiridge to testify on March 11 This is further evidence to!
that the compound's effects require additional evaluation, and I expect that
will testify myself before this Senate Subcommittee when they have hear
I will make that request
I should also announce that a report on my Investigation will be prepared*
consultation with Dr. Galston, and will be issued at the earliest
point
Now, we would like to hear again from Mr. Pierovlch of the Forest
Is he here?
Mr. PXEROVXCK : Yes. sir.
Congressman McCUnBT: I would like to say for the record, which I
said on the radio .station here, that I have been very favorably impressed'
the cooperation of fhe Forest Service. I think that anybody who has any entering of knowledge about this whole thing must realize that this is sometb

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&gt; individual agencies out In the field, that we are talking here about
"policy, and what is done out in the field really is a result of decision*
i at a much higher level, and to try to focus responsibility on a field unit
""."link Is really to carry this too far. I've been most impressed with your
I "ration and that of your colleagues, Mr. Pierovich, and I want you to
k ic that we appreciate it very much, and our report will so indicate.
i understand you woui(i ute to elaborate on the statements you made yester''"{;. PICROVICH. Thank you, Mr. Congressman, for your kind comments, and
1*1 for the way you've conducted this hearing. I think the Forest Service is
I
1 «.««l with the way the hearing has gone. There are some significant eleM-IIW of Forest Service concern that I felt should be made a part of the
ILiinl this morning, and I'll read essentially from that statement
First of all, the Forest Service has used phenpxy herbictd.es, but not since
ii,&lt;&gt; nationwide controversy broke last fall. In fact, the hist use of herbicide*
..ii the Kellner Russell project was June 11,1969, and to the best of my knowl.-.lire the last use of any herbicide by the Southwestern National Forest wa*
i lie August, 1969, on the Gila National Forest in New Mexico,
Second, it's apparent there are several persons in this area who believe
there are unknown, or suspected characteristics of these herbicides which may
imvc caused them damage, and this is of concern to us.
Three, it's apparent we must continue our efforts to ascertain the extent of
drift levels of herbicide residues, and the definite relationships between herbicides over environmental factors and the responses of plants and animals in
tills area.
These studies are to be made public when they're completed,
l.-istly, the extent of continued deferment of herbicide use in the Chaparral
program is dependent upon the outcome of our studies and of the Department's investigation of these matters.
Congressman MCCARTHY: Thank you very much. I wonder if you could for
the record, repeat what yon told me yesterday relative to the drift of the heriilride over streams, and into adjacent private property, and what steps, should
this be resumed, assuming that it can be shown to be safe, what stejw would
i* needed to correct that?
Mr. PIEROVICH. At this point, this will be my own opinion, but I first mentioned to you yesterday that our instructions to the applicator pilot were to
interrupt bis spray application when he crosses streams, we had definite plan*
for the project here to call for application away from the open water, and
main stream courses. I do believe there was some drift into this stream course
us evidenced by some top kill on the Sycamores on the stream bottom. There
Ims been drift from the project area onto private property which we have
established so far as the visual effects are concerned, and from this I'm certain that we will be developing new guidelines to both assure that the herbicides that we might apply in the future are confined to the project area, and
to assure the safety of the public.
One definite indicator in this is that it would be desirable to use a mucb
more restrictive windspeed in application.
Does that answer your question, sir?
Congressman MCCARTHY: Yes, but what wind velocity do you think would be
wife?
Mr. PIEROVICH : I wouldn't want to speculate at this time, but we do have *
general rule of 5 miles per hour, and we know that herbicides were applied
here to 10 miles per hour, and we see new development in the herbicide application field, the use of inverts has become more and more popular, and wltb
wmie corrective work recently done is this area I feel this will help us a great
deal.
Congressman MCCARTHY: Another point that I definitely sympathize wltb
yon about is difficulty you have of getting information. I think the fact that
yon weren't apprised of the Bionetics Research Laboratory finding on teratocenlcity until late last year suggests a problem in communications here, and If
yon have any suggestion* for new legislation I'd be grateful. Do yon feel yon
cet enough information from Washington on such subject*?
Mr. PIEROVICH. I feel that In all of our—the exchange of information is a
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people in these fields. Oar technicians In herbicide work attend meetings
larijr on this matter. We are expected to keep ourselves Informed. The U
tare has been quite tall of the controversies on 2,4,5-T, and we have
aware of the developing controversies.
The most health/ thing that could happen in this area would be a
summary of literature that our technicians could refer to. There are al
available now, but the combination of inputs from the universities and
the various departments of government In one abstract bulletin would be :
f al to us.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Do you have anything to add, Mr. Plerovlch?
Mr. PIEEOVIOH. No, I don't, sir.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Thank you very much, we appreciate It
Mr. PmtovioB. Thank you.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Our next witness is Dr. Paul (Martin from the ]
verslty of Arizona.
Dr. Martin, I understand you are accompanied by Dr. Russell?
Dr. MARTIN. That's right
Congressman MCCARTHY. Would you like him to sit with you?
Dr. MARTIN. Yes.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Dr. Russell, would you care to join Dr. Martin?
Dr. Martin, we appreciate your being here. I wonder if you would i&lt;~
yourself and Dr. Russell for the record, your background and your par
Interest in this?
Dr. MARTIN. I'm Paul 8. Martin, University of Arizona, Department of »
ogy. I had training as a professional ecologist, and with me Is Dr. Ste_
Russell who is a zoologist in the biology department in the University of
tona. His special interest is in birds.
Congressman* MCCARTHY. Thank you. Dr. Martin, I wonder before the
if yon would tell us about your involvement with the spraying project,
any conclusions that you reached, based upon your analyses.
Dr. MARTIN. ..Well, I'm not involved in the spraying project, and I'm
herbicide 4xper£ •! have no research .experience with herbicides. I do
interest in-the vegetation of Arizona. I've spent years studying its fossil _
records, but the Interest I had in Globe was in first seeing if indeed there
any effect on vegetation as a result of herbicide treatment that had
called to my attention, I have come up on four separate trips to visit the ac
that was sprayed, and see what little I could of the community.
Congressnjan'McGAKTHY. How long did yon spend on these trips?
Dr. MARTIN. These were 1-day visits.
Congressman:MoGARTHY. How many did yon make?
Dr. MARTIN, .four. As a result of seeing the area, and talking to some of I
people in the area, I was carious to see if just what degree the commun.
might have been affected by this. I wasnt prepared to believe that people,;*
animals could be affected by herbicide sprays because the little I heard
cated that those who work with herbicides stand underneath the spray
and are occasionally drenched by the chemicals, and don't suffer ill effects.
So it seems incredible that people in this community could be complaining^
such an effect, but they were.
Indeed as a result it seemed to me that it was important to listen to
and try to understand what they were saying, and try to come to terms
the only observers who witnessed an event that wasn't supposed to have
pened.
It also seemed to me that some of the people involved in the work with :
Iddes were unprepared for this sort of experience, they weren't even U
to the complaints. So I presumed to do that
Congressman .MCCARTHY. And what did you find in the course of your
trips?
Dr. MAnnr. There Is one other person thafs involved in what I'm going;!
say next, I don't know if she's here or not
Within the last month a student from Massachusetts by. the name of
Adelaide Frfck and she was willing to go on a door-to-door basis, and infc
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Congressman MCCARTHY. Excuse me, Is Miss Frlck present?
Dr. MABTIIC. I bare the results, a summary of her door-to-door Investigation
m the area, the purpose was to see if there complaints coming from any other
«iurce other than the individuals that I talked to. The trips that I'd made up
here and the design was to on a door-to-door basis talk to approximately 50
tieople in *"• canyons close to the sprayed area, and to another 60 over in
Crestwood, which I believe is east of Globe at a further—at a point further
remote from the area that was sprayed.
So what Miss Frick did was then conduct a door-to-door interview with
neonle close to the sprayed area, and another group of 60 further away from it
Congressman MCCARTHY. What did she find, do you have the report? We
would like to have that for the record.
Dr. MABTIIC. I'd be glad to give you a copy.
Congressman MCCARTHY: Would yon care to summarize it?
Dr. MARTIK. Ill simply read about a paragraph from the report that summarised it, and of course, the individuals are not identified 1n this report, and the
complete questionnaire Is not represented here, simply the highlights of it
There are three key questions, two that have to do with personal health,
«nd one that has to do with livestock. It turned out that few people do have
livestock in either—neither the spray area, or in Crestwood, but quite a
number have pets. This is what she found.
Regarding pets, 18 cases in which animals were effected, and one must pre•ume some relationship to spraying although in no individual case perhaps
could this be directly proved.
This is the experiences of people living in this community who know the
nature of the community, and then feel that something has happened that's a
little bit out of the ordinary.
Thirteen cases in which animals acted, three kittens lost; two dogs lost;
Infertile eggs, one; rabbits not breeding, two; chickens not laying, one; burro
lost, one; sick dogs, three reports.
Now, as far as people are concerned near the spray area, 23 of 66 indicated
Illness over the past 2 years which may be spray associated. Some people had
absolutely nothing wrong with them, or were not concerned. They thought that
those that were complaining were imagining it happened, an event that had no
bearing in the real world, that it was In the minds of the people reporting.
Other reported, and we're quite convinced that their experiences were
related to the events of last June, or earlier when herbicide spraying had hapod.
Of the 23 reporting illness, 21 were reporting breathing difficulties. Many of
these are attributed to the times of spraying. Some are attributed to smelter
smoke, there's no avoiding the fact that this area that experiences a good deal
of smelter smoke. Some of these people may be reporting an effect that is
indeed caused by smoke, I don't know.
There were five reports of serious diarrhea, including one entire family.
Four reports of chest pains, including one false-heart attack, one report of"
coughing of blood, one report of subnormal temperature. Two reports of numb
pain in arms; two reports of hemorrhaging; two reports of irregular periods;
one report of miscarriage; two others by hearsay.
Fifty-six people interviewed, 42 mentioned some damage to plants, although
the purpose of this questionnaire was not to consider plant damage.
Now, in Crestwood at a great distance from the
Congressman MCCARTHY. Was the interviewer able to determine if such complaints were prevalent before the spraying began?
Dr. MABTIIC. I don't know how one would do that In fairness to the people
in the Forest Service who have worked with this project, one simply can't conduct a scientific experiment at this point in time. All we can do is talk to the
people who were the observers, or ones—or residents in the area, and while
their memories are still hopefully fresh, recover some Information, just having
to take them at their word.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Let me just clarify. Is the interviewer ascribing
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they say that these phenomena result* were the results of the spraying,
don't they know?
Dr. MARTIN. Yes, some of them would rather not say. The question was,
effect, "Hare you experienced any sickness which might be related to "
spraying of this area."
It's a leading question In part It's not a question that denies any Ignoran
of the fact that herbicide spraying had taken place in the area.
I am sure there are many faults of a questionnaire of this sort that a
fessional psychologist would recognize.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Let me say as a point of information, we
shortly have put Into the record a scientific data of the results on "
beings of 2,4,5-T, which I think you will find bear a similarity to "
you're Just described.
I wonder If you would go beyond Miss Prick's surrey to glre us benefit'
your own observations of what you saw, and If you were able to reach
conclusions about the effects of the spraying on either humans, vegetation,
animals?
I
Dr. MARTIN. Well, the effects on vegetation Impressed me as ones that
to be watched over a period of time. Again, tills problem of who's to
Investigation, and how it's to be conducted are Important The Incident Is •
and in the minds of some local people, hopefully will never occur again.
The problem is, what really happened? I was up on four separate trips,
separate days, I saw some things that I hare not seen In Arizona ve
before. Such as the presence on Century plants of flowering way out of i
and Immature new plants going on the old stocks of old ones without
seed being set
I understand that this particular species of. Century plant is known
that, and other botanists have seen such a feature.
The area that was sprayed, not all plants are dead in it Some species
Manzanlta are remarkably resistant up to this point
The effectiveness of the treatment Is doubtful. The areas of spray ar
dead. The effects of spray on the outside areas on different plants have to
watched over a period of time to fully appreciate the change in phenology,
changes of flowerng time, the change of time when the leaves appear,
when they fall, the way the tradition of plants may be as far as ov&lt;
growth Is concerned, and If one wants to demonstrate the herbicide-can
effect on vegetation. It's also necessary to take into consideration all the &lt;
environmental! variations that aren't under control either, such as rainfall an
temperature,
Congressman MCCARTHY. But, you did find evidences of drift outside
.project area? .
Dr. MARTIN.'Yes.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Did you find evidences of 2,4,5-T In any of
adjacent streams,, or did you seek to find it?
Dr. MARTIN. No, I collected samples only from within the project area,
samples and water samples.
Congressman MCCARTHY. You found evidences of 2,4,5-T In the water you'i
collected within the project area?
Dr. MARTIN. The samples that I collected and submitted to a laboratory
California came *ack with a report of the presence of 2,4-D, and smalle1
amounts of 2,4,5-T.
Congressman MCCARTHY. In the water?
Dr. MARTIN. There wan a trace in the water, there was up to one part
million In the soil of 2,4-D.
Congressman MFCARTHY. Is there anything that yon or your colleague &lt;
add which would be pertinent to our Inquiry?
Dr. MARTIN. I would make one recommendation, and then If Steve Rv
na* anything he would care to add.
The recommendation would simply lie thnt hospital records, doctors'
the veterinary record* of those doctors and veterinarians in the GloJie
gone over very carefully by proper professional people.
Congressman MCCARTHY. At that point I think we should put Into
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,,r. Orantvtlle Knight, M.D., 2001 Wllshlre Boulevard, Suite 345, Santa
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Thl« conversation took place on February 0,1970.
Dr Knight informed Mr. Rtddleberger that he hai two patients under his
.•ire 'from Globe. Arts. While his examination is not complete, he is of the
V,iinlon that their malady Is associated with the recent spraying of Silvex cont ilulng 2,4,6-T by the U.S. Forest Service. Dr. Knight is of the opinion that an
investigation is warranted, and offered to submit a statement of his findings
uixMi completion of his examination subject to the approval of bis patients.
Miss Frlck is here now, and I wonder if she could sit next to Dr. Martin
.n(l poctor, if you would be good enough to reread that portion alluded to7
Dr. MARTIN. This simply summarizes the interviews that Miss Frick conducted in the canyons that is Eellner Canyon, Russell, Slxshooter, and Icehouse. Fifty-six Interviews In that particular area, and some people who had
serious complaints to make were not considered in this interview.
What I found just in tabulating what her questionnaire revealed was that
23 of 66 individuals indicated illness over the past 2 years, which may be
siiray associated, 21 Individuals reported breathing difficulties, many of these
are attributed to the times of spraying, but not all. Some were attributed to
smelter smoke.
There were five reports of serious diarrhea, including one entire family.
Miss FRICK. Yes.
Dr. MARTIN. Four reports of chest pain, including one false heart attack;
one report of coughing of blood; one report of subnormal temperature.
Two reports of pains, or numbness in arms; three reports of uterine hemorrhaging; one report of a miscarriage.
There were two others that I thought were hearsay, but I wasn't sure had
really occurred in family that you interviewed, and then finally all the questionnaires wasn't directed to plant damage, there were 42 people Interviewed
who mentioned at least some damage to their plants In that area. '
Xovv, the Crestwood account shows much less effect, and this is what •one
might expect because of the distance further away from the area of spray.
Congressman MCCARTHY. Doctor Russell, is there anything that you would
add to the record here that would be helpful?
Or. RUSSELL I don't think I would add to the record, but I'm in agreement
,vith Dr. Martin'* statement
Congressman MCCARTHY. You are, you've studied the information he has
available?
Dr. RUSSELL. I have seen much of the general information, but I've conducted no investigation of my own Into it
Congressman MCCARTHY. Thank you, Gentlemen, and Miss Frick, very much.
I'd like to now recall Prof. Galston.
Doctor, as we discussed here I understand you have some scientific data on
the effects on human beings of 2,4,5-T. I wonder if you would cite the source
»t this information, and the findings?
Dr. GALSTON. Mr. Congressman, I'm very happy to present this information
because in the course of my wanderings around on this day I have found that
certain individuals tend instinctively to disapprove any allegations of direct
damage to human beings or animals.
Now, as I hoped I made clear yesterday, very small doses of 2,4,5-T can
&lt;viuse birth abnormalities In laboratory animals, and that Is now actively
under Investigation, and we've discussed to see whether it might be due to this
Impurity called dloxin, or whether It was due in fact to the chemical
But now, the question is, can we actually produce an effect on mature Individuals, let us say male individuals, totally apart from pregnant females bearIng embryos in uteri, and I should say that there is a fairly sizable respectable scientific literature on this, and if one looks in a variety of sources,
Including the sort of encyclopedia of clinical toxicology by Gleason and Coughlin, and can find citations to many articles, and I have reference to a few
here.
Now, 2,4-D can produce, if it's administered in very massive quantities, it
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recorded of idH'tiavtag produced very severe symptoms In man. The best i
however, comes from 2,4,5-T, «&gt;* l ™M llke to read to you a brief
of an..article published in l»?fl by T. Flint enuuea "Dermatitis and
arUdHuSuhed In l|»» WT. run entitled "De
Damage Ascribed to Weed Killer 2.4JS-T.'
Flint relates an episode Involving two sisters, age 4 and 6 years, whol
Dlared for several hours In a yard which had been sprayed heavily a -'
&amp;me before with the Ortho brand of 2,4,5-T, brush killer. This was usThis* spray contained 15.4 percent of the isopro ester of 2,4,5-T in

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Now, I should mention parenthetically, I don't have the exact data at 1
but Kuron contains much more than that, I believe in excess of 60 ;
this same ester.
The next day both girls exhibited generalized erythema—reddening of j
skin—and edetnatus swelling of the oral and vaginal mucous membranes. - 1
The pulse rate and body temperature were not elevated, but both
were described as appearing slightly toxic. The limbs and eyelids were
swollen as the mucous membranes of the mouth were inflamed. On the 3d/j
there were signs of kidney damage. Albumen was noticed in the urine
was no evidence of liver injury, the urinary abnormalities persisted for
2 weeks, but 2 months later the urine specimens for both patients
normal.
Now, there are other reports in which 2,4-D, and 2,4,5-T are alleged to !
caused toxic effects on the nervous system as measured by the elect]
cephalogram. That is after ingestion, there was a desynchronization of the i
trlcal activities of the nervous system, I bring these points up only to i .
force the fact that no chemical Is completely innocuous. Some individuals t|
more sensitive than others, and some may require a big dose, and
small dose to have these abnormal effects produced, but I share with'
Martin the view that when people appear and say that they have
adversely affected by these chemicals, immediate and adequate atte
should be given to the possibility that these reports will furnish yet addlt
data to supplement the rattier large amount of scientific data already exii
Congressman MCCARTHY. Thank you. Dr. Galston. I wonder if you co
give us your observations after your inspection of the sprayed area, and t
area where It drifted.
Is there anything that you at this point care to have in the record?
Dr. GALSTON. Well, I'll say a few words. I want to make It perfectly
that after 24 hours in Globe, Ariz., I don't want to pose as an expert either 1
the program, or the effects on vegetation, or on people, but as a biologist'
Ing in this anja, there Is some conclusions I think I can make which point i
the need for still,further investigation, and everything I say should be held?
that light
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What did I see on my brief trip yesterday? Well, I would classify theml
several categories.
Number JL at the helispot, overlooking the picnic area, I observed
smelted residues, there was no doubt that yon could smell residual dlesel
which was primarily the carrier for the herbicide which bad been
during the loading operation onto the helicopter.
Now, if you-could smell it, there was a good deal around, and that
indicate that theije are definitely residues in certain selected areas, how
there was I can't say, how much there might be in the soil, or in the water,*
cannot say, but It seems to me that I could smell evidences at various ]
in my trip. So that there probably are residues here and there, and
could serve as a continuous supply of leadhlng, I suppose, into the waters:
the area, one should not discount that possibility.
The second category was definite plant damage, and the plant damage
both the desired plant damage in the canyon, and nndeslred plant damage '\
the vicinity of homes; which was due to the drifting, I assume, the herbicid
In the canyons we could see, and these were pointed out to me by some •
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and Oak, and the desired persistence of what they considered more
• Nimble plants such as gerardia.
Sow I suppose a question could be raised as some of the local residents
. »« been raising undesirable, and desirable, according to whose criteria, and
MJ what Judgmental values. Manmnlta and Oak do live on these hillsides, they
I transpire to water, and I suppose their killing is desirable in the contention
t wanting to avoid the evaporation of water. Whether after you are all
'.'iirouzh with the operation and plant to grass, which is the stated objective of
i MS clearing observation, you are going to save very much water, I'm not sure,
Ind whether, in fact, the esthetics of the environment will be improved
another stated objective of this operation is also I'd soy open to question, I
would think It would be a very useful operation for those groups charged with
making policy to hold some public hearings at which citizens could come with
their points of view. I think a lot of this fracas is due to poor interchange of
information between official agencies, and the citizens: If there had been open
hearings, and announcements, this is what we intend to do, this is why we are
doing it, and this is how we are going to do It, and have objections recorded
«t the time, a lot of the acrimony that's built up here might have been
avoided*
Now, so far as the damage of plants around homes, there is no doubt about
it. it has occurred. I have seen it, and as a plant physiologist, I could testify
timt this Is typical damage due to herbicide drift I think* that this points up
it lesson when you discharge herbicides from the nozzles of spray on a helicopter, you are getting an assortment of droplet sizes, the big drops are going to
fall quickly, the small drops are going to be carried for longer distances. I
think until the technology is improved, the so-called invert sprays Is one possibility here, and new types of booms for spraying are another. It seems to me
that It's very unwise to spray In areas where homes are so intimately associated with the forest and woodland, that you are trying to control You cannot
pinpoint the spray, yon cannot keep it out of the water, and you cannot prevent Inadvertent spray damage to the nearby residences, and I would say that
there are certainly many sprays in the country where the application of aerosol sprays Is a highly beneficial practice.
From my cursory look here that I would say the intervening of house and
the canyons in which spraying hi desired, is so Intricate that the slightest miscalculation, the slightest air movement, the slightest malfunctions of the spray
equipment would lead to damage to the property, and I don't know how that
could be worked out technically, and I would want assurance that those problems are looked into.
I think the people whose plants have been damaged ought to be compensated
in some way because the damage has been considerable around some homes,
and I think it's unfair to expect these people to bear the brunt of this kind of
inadvertent drift operation.
Now, I did see damaged animals, and I talked with humans who alleged
that they were adversely affected.
Alt I can say here is the damage is there, and spray operations did occur,
but I know of absolutely no scientific evidence which would link the spray
operation to the damage, and I think the people who showed me the damaged
animals showed it to me in the spirit that this could be a consequence of
spray operations, but they weren't sure, and certainly I'm not sure, but unlike
some people I would not immediately offhand say this is ridiculous. It could be
as I have shown from my previous reading from this scientific compendium,
and I could document further a lot of the symptoms that people are reporting
here have been reported for massive doses of 2,4-D. So we should not leave the
possibility that this did occur, but a much more scientific information is
required.
My overall view after one day of looking around is one of puzzlement I
wonder why It's desired to initiate this kind of an operation In this kind of an
environment The stated objective Is to improve water runoff, and water runoff
wUl benefit, I presume, the citizens of a nearby urban area. Phoenix, which is
growing rapidly, and which has a lot of water requirements, and their water

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requirements will crow at the years go by. We know this Is an arid
the way. not being an Arizona resident, and not being a politician, I
could say some things here which a lot of people were thinking, but
brought forth.
Truly, water is going to be wilting in this area for others. So far i
see unless nuclear technlcology makes it available on a massive scale,
don't foresee, if you take water from this area to give to another a
are, in fact, robbing Peter to pay PauL If you are robbing water from •]
you are going to partially change the kind of vegetation, perhaps
''
going to denude some of the areas In order to increase the runoff, this:
a comparative set of rules. Whose object is going to be gored here,
interests are paramount? Well, clearly cities are not going to be able to-;
indefinitely, we are going to hare to put some limit on them, we kno
example, that the city of Los Angeles got into a lot of trouble with
because there are Just too many people there. In the same way cities
Southwest may hare to limit their size ultimately based on the nil
people they can support on the amount of water resources there
trying to take every amount of water out of the Country brings a
of a very serious question.
Now that President Nixon among others is calling for a campaign to
the environment, It might be that we would want to look at this whole
in the context of what we are doing to the entire State, and to the
countryside
Finally, I would like to merely renew my suggestions that the people-.i
formulated this policy, who set up this whole spray program should id&lt;
themselves, and should request the contributions of the citizenry as an
to this whole program.
I think that policy should not be made without question. This is a
erotic society 'In which citizens have responsibility to interest themselv
the making of policy, and—my faith in the American people, and in _
desire to run their own country has been to a certain extent reinforced]!
seeing a group of aroused citizens here out to protect their rights.
Thank you very much.
Congressman MCCABTHT. Thank you. Doctor Oalston. I think the points'}
make are valid. One that I would just enlarge on a bit is that I am i
working on legislation to be established to support a National Growth
think growth has to be commensurate with the resources and of course, in.
case, water* is a critical resource.
I would conclude these hearings now with a couple of observations. I
It's important to know that 2,4,5-T was developed at the Army's chief
Warfare Research Center at Fort Detrlck, Md. My experiences in investi
the Army's cuemlcal and biological warfare programs, and policies, has,
encouraged me about some of the actions that have been taken, without t
into consideration some of the unforeseen consequences. For instance,
they wanted to dispose of waste from nerve gas production at the 1
Mountain arsenal near Denver, they first dumped this material into ponds?
the arsenal's property. They didnt expect that it would find its way out *
thought it would be just absorped In the water on the pond. It wasn't, it"
carried out' into adjacent streams, and the neighboring countryside, and
among other things livestock and 6 square miles of sugar beets.
They then dug a deep well and figured the best way to dispose of it w
dumping it deep into the earth. That set off 1,500 earthquakes in the DeoV
area, some of them up to six on the Rlchter scale, and caused great alarm)!
the community; They finally had to pull out this material, and of course
earthquakes stopped.
Then, they thought they should ship it across the entire United States,
thought this would be safe. Scientists later said It would risk the liv&lt;
thousands of people, the plans also, called for dumping this large quantity*;
nerve gas and other materials into the Atlantic Ocean. They thought
would be safe. .
Scientists later, said it could destroy all marine life In 600 cubic miles off
Atlantic Ocean, with a cataclysmic effect on ocean's production cycle.

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I cite these Instance* not in reproaching the Army, or the C.B.W.
establishment, but I think that thU particular program has a questionable
rc

ttf» find 2,4,5-T developed by the Army's Germ and Gas Warfare establlsh..Jnt 25 years ago to this date. We do not know for sure whether it will proluce birth defects in human beings, I find it unwise to say the least to use
«u&gt;ii a substance without being sure that It is safe. For some reason the
inirden of proof seems to be on me and my colleagues in the sense that the
rttrltude is, "we'll keep using it until you can prove it unsafe." Well, I quarrel
with the basic assumption, I think that It should be just the reverse, I don't
think that any toxic substance whether herbicide, pesticide, drug, whatever,
Lhould be used, sold In the United States until it can be shown that it is not
harmful to human beings, that it doesn't produce cancer, or birth defects, or
cenctlc effects.
••
One would think that we have learned from the Tbaltdomide experience, but
apparently we haven't
I also find it Incredible that the Dow Chemical Corp. could have succeeded
in helping reverse an order from The White House.
jjow, I read this section from the statement of October 20 wherein the President's science adviser said that certain agencies of Government, the Department of Defense, the Department of Interior, the Department of Agriculture
would do certain things, will Inaugurate a new policy. Now we have the letter
received today from The White House addressed to me, advising me that The
White House Is backing off from this directive, and is saying that the statutory responsibility resides with the individual agencies.
I find it personally unconscionable that in light of the Btonettcs findings,
und the scientific data cited by Doctor Galston this morning about the proven
effects of 2,4,5-T on females, that this substance would be continued to be used
on wide scale in the United States, and for that matter in Vietnam where
oven larger quantities are used.
I welcome the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Investigation Into this. I will
preiuire a full report which will appear In the public documents that will be
developed as a consequence of our trip will be made available to not only the
.Senate Commerce Committee, but appropriate other committees of the ConKress, as well as to the study of the American Association for the Advancement of Science under the directorship of Professor Messelson of Harvard.
We finally conclude by thanking the officials who have been most helpful,
and to the residents of Globe who have been most hospitable, and I would
hope that this experience here might have effects far more reaching than the
small area of Globe, Ariz., and that perhaps as a result at least in part of
what we have discovered here, that we will stop using 2,4,5-T around the
world until we can run a series of tests that show that it is not harmful to
this generation, and to the next generation.
Thank you very much.
Appendix 6
ALBUQUERQUE; N. MEX., .February £6,1910.
Hon. RICHARD D. MCCARTHY,
House of Repretetrtativet,
Washington, D.O.
DEAR MR. MCCARTHY: Thank you for your letter of February 10 and for the
opportunity to furnish additional documents or statements for the record of
your hearing In Globe.
FOB THE RECORD REGARDIXO WIXDS

In my testimony I promised to furnish you with additional data on windspeeds during the 1069 spray project While wlndspeed was measured by the
Project Air Officer who used a pocket anemometer, no record of observation*
was made. He did, however, maintain a record of application flight tlmew

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which shows when the work was shut down due to winds exceeding i
per hour. The following table summarizes these important times
record:
Time

OK*

JUM 1. IKf
J«M t i969i;".i""™i" ...
KM 1. 1969.
( i»S..."."""".r:rrr.""::
JUM

1505
1703
1935
lOlt

JUM 10. 198*
JUM IK 1989"."":."" "...."".

1250

Remark*
Shutdown (wind «c«d&lt; 10 m.pji.).
Resume operations (wind below maximum).
End operetta tor day.
Shutdown (wind exceeds 10 m.p.lL).
Mf.~fc.hr.*.
Do!

Because allegations of "gale winds" during application have been :
of Interest to compare the above shut-down times with winds recorded'.
Globe Fire Weather Station. The Globe Station records are for obse
made only once dally at 1300 hours, but do not Indicate the presence
winds" on any day of the project These 1300 hours observations are
lows:
0«to

JUM I
I

Direction

. . ... . .........
. ... . .........

.

. . SW
.

As can be seen from the two tables, the only day on which
extended beyond 1300 hours was June 8, when the 1300 hours observat
only 5 miles per hour. The June 11 shut-down time of 1200 hours would 1
to Infer that winds did possibly exceed 10 miles per hour when compared &lt;
the 1300 hours observation of 16 miles per hour. Ranger Moehn has
that winds did not exceed 10 miles per hour in the area of the spray
tion, and this Is quite possible since spray work was high up In Russell
in the lee of sheltering mountains to the Southwest, on that date.
OTHER ITEMS FOE THE RECORD

Additional copies of the Forest Service Interim Position Statement
the map showing the limit of infrared detection of dead and distressed
tlon (as of October 1069) are enclosed for the record.
As I recall, Professor Galston asked for additional Information on th
research studies related to water yield. Since the Interim Position Staf
digests these, i suggest that the Statement will serve for the record, but
be glad to arrange for you or for Dr. Galston to receive a copy of the
draft of the manuscript referenced In the Statement
Since the herbicide container converted to a trash barrel, and found in
ner Canyon during your field tour, became a matter of importance to -'
press, the following additional information may serve as a useful insertion.^
the record: (1) The Dow Chemical Company label does not specify that,
container be destroyed (copy of specimen label enclosed); (2) As a mattei
good practice, we prefer that all pesticide, containers not be reused, and
it was found that trash barrels were being made of the containers b.
Globe District, the Regional Forester directed by memorandum on January
that all Southwestern Region Ranger Districts discontinue such uses;
Ranger Moehn, in response to the Regional Forester's direction, had all .
trash barrels picked up earlier in the week of your visit; (4) presence of
container in the creek at the Kellner recreation area cannot be explained
District personnel who were in the area and had not seen it prior to your ft,
tour; (8) the container had been washed with water and detergent prior;,
painting for use as a trash barrel.

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» vour field tour, there seemed to be some misunderstanding regarding
T" lion &lt;&gt;( herbicide to the lire stream in Kellner Canyon. While the
1
•I'l'" '"' K (|0,vlng when you were in the area, it was not a live stream at the
.irciiiiii ftt
t(ie t(me 0{ application. We do not deny that some herbicide
'"'" i 1\-v drifted to lire streams, as evidenced by some tip damage to trees in
HIM.V i" .
Recreation Area where there was a lire stream, but that drift
""' ilv reached the water has not been established.
""vMiio the Interdepartmental Panel of Scientists headed by Dr. Fred H.
"'.".., arrived following your hearing, their findings are of sufficient irapor'!'"«•"" *the matter under consideration, that we desire to have the enclosed
'""In M'U'use Issued by them inserted In the record.
ii XVHH a pleasure working with you and Mr. Blddleberger during your visit
i in- Forest Service can be of any further assistance, please let us know. We
„, appreciate receiving three copies of the hearing record when available.
*
Sincerely,
JOHW M. PDEBOVICH,
Attlttant Regional Foreitcr.
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FOREST 82RVICK INTERIM POSITION: K3UM3R CANYOMRUSS3LL GULCH H3RBICID2 SPRAY PROJ2CT AIID THE
REOIOIJ CHAPARRAL PROGRAM, February 9, 1970
IKTROPfCTKW
Background on Kellner Canyon-Russell Oulch Project
The Kellner Canyon-Russell Gulch Project 1* a part of the Chaj
Management Program of the Tonto National Forest. The prinary oi'j
of this project is to laprove water yield, 'out other prosraa objejj
and resulting benefits are intended to be.net as well. Improved'
water yield and other Chaparral Program objectives are discussed'1
This project was initiated in 1965 following extensive local dis
and a press release which appeared in the local paper. Rather
the usual practice of applying prescribed fire as the initial
went, herbicides were ussd. This was because of the known
for streams in this area to produce flash floods; herbicide treat
nent was considered to be unlikely to contribute to flooding,
large areas treated by fire could.
Chemicals used in this project are listed by year of use in Table &lt;i
which is appended. These.are all Federally Registered Compounds:t
and were applied in keeping with the laws and label instructions
governing their safs use.
Following the 1969 Application of Herbicide, Tdnto Forest Supex
Robert Courtney received a complaint in the form of a petition
bearing 151* signatures of people in and near Globe, Arizona,
the initial complaint, Courtney requested a team of qualified indij
to visit the' area for a General assessment of alleged herbicide
damage. This team reported some limited damage to vegetation on
certain private properties.
'

Chaparral Management Objectives •

Objectives of managing chaparral on the Southwestern National
are to:
•'
1. Improve water quality and yield through reductions of thepotential for sediexurtiation following wildfire and through]]
reductions in evapo-transpiration losses where modificatio
of existing vegetation is proper.
2. To enhance the scenic value o'f the' Chaparral zone through;
development of varied patterns resembling the natural
sometimes found in unprotected chaparral; these patterns
range from savanah-li&amp;e grass and forb areas to newly
chaparral, to relic.stands of nature chaparral.

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3

To improve wildlife habitat through creation of additional
cd{'.e effect and through maintenance of vigor and new growth
In desirable species.

It. To reduce the his'n costs of protecting chaparral from vildfireo
through the establishment of brocks In heav/ fuel continuity,
making it noro possible to avert fires of conflagration proportions.
&lt;;. TO increase forage production for wildlife and livestock
through the release of native grasses and the establishment •
of new grass stands.
6. To improve access for both the observer of wildlife and the
hunter through a system of near-primitive roads to strategic
fire control locations and through the openings that will
result in treated areas.

I

it is intended that each of the above objectives will be net through
;::illjplc Use Coordination Procedures. These require that regardless
;• -,!]•,• primary purpose of any project, proper consideration be given
• , other forest uses and values. Because of the intense interest in
j.vovins Southwestern water quality and yield, both Federal watershed
..,,i.:..cment and cooperator funds have been made available for this vori:
K: n pria«ry purpoje. Each of the objectives of chaparral management
.1: fcirly well unusrstood by the interested public except for this one
..;• improvement in water yield. Even some experts have, until recently,
i:;oounted the potential for augmenting water supplies through alteration
i shrub cover in the chaparral type.
.•••I -h of the research leading to improved understanding of the potential
:.«r .-.Jditional water has been done on the 3-Bar Experimental Watersheds
:;.-:ir Koosevelt Dam on the Tonto National Forest, Work there was begun,
:n 19fu. Two reports from this woric are of particular interest.
Pasc, C.P., and P.A. Ingebo, 196?, "Burned cliaparral to crass:
early effects on water and sediment yields from two granitic
coil watersheds in Arizona," Proceedings Hinth Annual Arizona
jjatershed Symposium, fc pp illus.
Hibbert, Alden R., Unpublished 1970 Manuscript oa file with
Rocky Mountain Forest and Ranee Experiment Station: "Increases
in streamflov vary with rainfall after converting brush to crass."
.V...- latter report is cited because it contains data not previously
available which are regarded as nore reliable (due to additional years
•-:' stroamflow measureaent) and which indicate crater pro aise of
-proved water yields than previously expected. Increases due to
"•••s-crshed treatment have varied froai 1.5 area inches to lfc.0 area
j.-ir.hes. The two tost watersheds avcrared an increase in water yield,
ror the period 1959 throuflh 1969, of from It to 6 area Inches.

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Progress and Direction of Studies—The Kollney Canyon-Russell Gulch Pro?.
Task Force* Mo. 1 and Mo. 2 (Completed Work)
Tlic first two teams to examine the area were concerned with visually
detectable effects of the 1969 herbicide application. Due to the
similarity of some insect and desease symptoms to symptoms of hcrbicl
effects, the second team included epeciallsta in entomology and plant
pathology. It was on the basis of this team's findings that many
plants alleged to be dansoccd from herbicide drift were determined to
,be affected by other causes.
It should be noted that while all complainants have been advised of
Forest Service claim-for-damage procedures, only one fonnal claiic has;
been filed. This claim was not for properties identified as damaged
in the Task Force Ho. 2 Report, and has thus been disallowed.
Infrared Photography and Interpretation for
Distressed Vegetation (Work In Pro-ycasT"
While the second Task Force reported that some visually detectable
herbicide drift had occurred from the 1969 spray project, extending
approximately one-fourth nile north of the project, their assessment
did not include previous years' effects, nor was it concerned with
delineation of the sprayed area as a whole.
In order to more accurately define the limits of herbicide effect on
plants from all years of spraying, aerial infrared photography has
Veen employed. Interpretation of these aerial photographs has cade
possible a preliminary delineation of the exterior boundary of destress
and dead vegetation. Both the visually detected drift line reported
fcy Task Force Ho. 2 and the External Limit of Infrared-detected
distressed and dead vegetation are shown on the appended PRSLIMIHARY
tap. It is important to note that internal exclusions have not been •-.:&lt;
delineated and that field verifications are not yet completed for
the infrared interpretation.
Environmental Effects (Work in Progress)
'•fork is underway in this study to assess the total effect of the
Kellner Canyon-Russell Gulch Project on the environment. Some of
the key considerations included in this stady are listed below.
1. Possible further evidence of drift of herbicide sprays
through such iiorbicide raciduco as arc uatee-tod in soil
saaplcs nortii of tiio pro.-ect croal Initial soil sampling
was within the project and on two transects toward the

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northeast corner of the project. This corner was selected
as the best to test the hypothesis that soil residues from
drift might be found, since prevailing winds are from the
Southwest.
Initial laboratory analysis reports have indicated low
concentrations of Silvex and 2, U-D at some locations
(maxiwua detected concentration off the project to date is
O.l6 p.p.n. Silvc::). Especially at these low levels
of concentration, it is poooiblc that other sources of
contamination nay Induce "bad-ground" which could lead to
erroneous conclusions. For this reason, we are proceeding
to cross-check analysis procedures while, at the .sane time,
widespread sampling north of the project is scheduled.
It would be premature to reach any conclusion regarding
drift at this tine.
2. Herbicide levels in water samples. Water sampling and
analyses have been underway for soae time. Project methods
called for interruption of application at all stream channel
crossings, and as far as we have been able to determine,
no herbicide was applied directly -to water. Some soilleaching and runoff is to be expected. All samples we have
taken, or taken by private individuals and brought to our
attention, are less than the Federal water quality criterion
of 0.1 p.p.a. I/
3. Effect of Treatment on Esthetics. While it is evident the
dead vegetation over this area is not pleasing, our concern
here is with the next needed steps to actually provide
enhancement of the scenic resource. It is sometimes necessary
to tolerate temporary degradation of the appearance of an
area as a cost of ultimate improvement. This study is
intended to better define tolerable limits, explore alternatives, and recommend treatments to completion. Concurrently,
we are assessing the past, present, and projected fire
hazard in order to build conflagration control concepts
into the landscape design.
U. Effects on Animals end Plants. Initial observations by
wildlife experts have shown no narked effect upon wildlife.

'•J Surface water criteria for public water supplies table appearing in:
gater Quality Criteria issued as a report to the Secretary of
Interior, April 1, 1963, and published by the Federal Water
Pollution Control Administration.

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PRESS RELEASE - February 20, 1970
Government Interdepartmental Panel of Scientist.

the panel *• carefully examining the evidence collected during
It* ri»lt. The study vlll continue and vlU Include analyses of
IM numerous samples of blood, toll, vater, fruit and plants for
U&gt;« herbicides, a possible contaminant (dloxin), as veil as Various

'

««nt« producing disease In nan, animals and plants. However, to date,
v« can summarize * fev of our findings as follows:

1. The application of herbicides In the Final Mountains near
OlPbe, Arizona vat made by the Tonto National Forest starting la
19^5. The most recent application of the herbicide was made by
b«Xlcopter on June 8, 9, 10 and 11, 1969.
2. The materials used In the treatments In 1965, 1966, 1968 sad
1969 Included 2,»»-D, 2.U.5-T, and sllvex. These chemicals came
from different sources. In 1969, 30 gallons of 2,J»,5-T produced by
the Hercules Chemical Company and 935 gallons of silvex produced by
the Dow Chemical Company were used. The sllvex is reported by Cov
Chemical Company to contain less than 1 ppo of the dioxln. Analyses
vlU be made of sllvex and the other herbicides for dloxin and the
active herbicide ingredients.

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3. There are report* of the aircraft flying over private properti*
tout not spraying; and other reports of the herbicide being applied
Juat outside the project area. There ii clear evidence of drift of
the herbicides on a number of plant* on «on« of the nearby properties.!
•i. Kunaa illnesses have been reported by several residents in the!
Globe region. Many of the residents vith complaints vere IntcVrieved.'ij
by a medical member of the panel. These are complaints that commonly
occur in the normal population; the eye irritation in one individual
*

My be related to the spraying. Nine doctors serving the area of
Globe vere interviewed and there vas general agreement that there
bad been no significant increase in human illness related to the
spraying. Hovever, blood samples vere obtained and additional
studies are planned to verify or rule out this possibility.
5. Reports from the vildlife specialists indicate no significant
•

i

effects on birds, deer, and other vildlife. There are reports of
reductions of birds on a fev properties but there are other reports
/•
that bird and other vildlife populations in and near the project area

are normal.
6. Information obtained from owners of livestock and observations;1
of animals did not indicate any illnesses that do not commonly occur
in other regions.

It.is doubtful that the spraying of the herbicides

or dloxin caused the afflictions in the goat and duck because the
goat vas born before the .treatment and the duck vas hatched about ^
viles avay from the treated area.

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T. Then was evidence of voody plant mortality fron root rot,
,nd also visible damage to certain yard trees from several kinds
of Insects and woodpecker* or sapsuckers.

Other plant injuries

v«re obcerved that appeared to be caxued by lov loll nolature,
air pollution and unusual coil properties.
8.

The phenoxy'herblcide* following normal u*« d&lt;J not usually

persist for aore than 8 months in soil and vater. Additional
analyses are in progress to deteroine the presence or absence of
herbicides.'

Senator HART. We are adjourned to resume on the 15th of this
month in this room.
(Whereupon, at 5:15 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned, to
resume on April 15,1970.)

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&lt;p&gt;For more about this collection, &lt;a href="/exhibits/speccoll/exhibits/show/alvin-l--young-collection-on-a"&gt;view the Agent Orange Exhibit.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</text>
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